Why We Must Fight

NRO (National Review Online) ^ | 03/11/2003 | William J. Bennett

[mattdono]

We seek to liberate Iraq because after September 11, 2001 we were put on notice. We were put on notice that the civilized can no longer live in a bubble and hope for the best. We were put on notice that there are fanatics and tyrants who want nothing from us but our death. And this notice requires action: the action of the brave, the action of the unthanked, the action of the free.

That last sentence made the hair on my neck stand up. God bless our troops. Damn those who don't support them.

[aBootes]

bttt

[JohnGalt]

Bennett has discarded any pretense that this war is about anything short of Wilsonian liberalism. I am not sure why the mainstream right will not disown this line of thinking, but it's distinctly not conservative or libertarian thought.

[hchutch]

As John Stossel would say, "Give me a break!"

Nobody has not proposed alternatives that do NOT have the appearance of appeasement, which has its own pitfalls - SERIOUS pitfalls, I might add. Appeasement (namely, pulling out and ending aid to Israel and other allies) is NOT an option. Unfortunately, that is what ANSWER, Ron Paul, and others are offering.

The only alternative comes from those you like to deride as practicing "Wilsonian liberalism." In essence, we have to go in and change the regimes that are currently hostile. Tough job? Yes. But we were the victims of an unprovked and dastardly attack. You know what we did the LAST time that happened. Well, we're going to have to do it again.

Anything else will convince the enemies we face that we are weak, and that, sir, is how wars start. An aggressor thinks the price of his aggression will be cheap.

[Poohbah]

I find it fascinating that the ones who scream the loudest about preserving America's sovereignty are the first to demand that we give up our sovereign right to affiliate ourselves with nations like Israel because the Arabs don't like us doing that.

[JohnGalt]

You are making the case for war, albeit with an over reliance on emotion and capital letter, that mainstream Conservatives should be making. This war is about making an example of Saddam, an uppity Arab, and send a message to other Arab nations that they better get their own house in order.

However, its clear that the neo-cons and the Bush administration are not making this case-- witness the latest talking points that refer to how poorly Saddam treats his people as reason to go to war. Just because they are your allies on this one issue, I suggest not selling your principals to them.

Appeasement? This is silliness; you want France to appease the United States, but when they don't they are called cowards. You say that pulling out of the Middle East is not an option, but offer no reason as to why you create this (false)choice. I can only surmise at this point that the war frenzy has negated the need for logical and rational debate so any cheerleader, even from Kaiser Bill (Bennett) is welcomed.

[hchutch]

But it is NOT making an example of Saddam, it in ensuring he cannot harm the United States of America or its citizens directly (through acquiring weapons of mass destruction) or indirectly (through funding terrorist groups).

Saddam Hussein is merely item two on the agenda, behind dealing with al-Qaeda. There is, in my opinion, a fair deal of circumstantial evidence point to an Iraqi role in 9/11. There are meetings we DO know about between Iraq and al-Qaeda, meetings that the Secretary of State mentioned to the UN last month.

To call what Ron Paul and others advocate appeasement is not silliness, it is the truth. It hurts, but that is what it is. The only rational course of action is victory. That has been clear since 9:04 AM on September 11, 2001, once it was clear that what was happening at the World Trade Center was an unprovoked attack on the United States of America.

[JohnGalt]

After Munich 1938, put in order the countries that invaded Czechoslovakia:

1) Poland
2) Germany
3) Hungary

[JohnGalt]

What is your definition of appeasement?


No Western intelligence agency has been able to link al-Qaeda to Iraq in regards to 9/11 or anything else. If you are privy to this information, please provide your President with it post haste so he can stop relying on Wilsonian arguments to justify American involvement. Circumstantial evidence, perhaps, exists, but Christians do not go around killing people based on such things.

There are two position as far as I can tell between the conservatives and the liberals:

The Conservative position
1) Too much intervention led to terrorism.

The Wilsonian liberals position
2) Not enough intervention (we should have taken out Saddam in 1991) led to terrorism.

Both are, I guess, defensible positions, but one is conservative the other liberal, and yes it does matter. Since you have repudiated the only Conservative argument for war with Iraq, perhaps you would be more at home at the New Republic website?

I tend to take the libertarian position that 9/11 was a result of the CIA not taking care of loose ends after the Cold War and a grossly incompetent trillion dollar central intelligence apparatus (not one high level resignation after 9/11) coupled with a disarmed public.

[hchutch]

Germany.

[JohnGalt]

Wrong, but you revealed what I already suspected.

Though I am being a smart-ass, might be a good idea to drop reference to Munich or the 1930s in general unless you know what you are talking about. You have a defensible position, you just need some better tactics.

[dakine]

Whomever says this war is indefensible... needs to look in mirror and Thank G. they are an American...

[Redleg Duke]

You really are terrified that President Bush might be a success and set back your libertarian dreams of conquest, aren't you!

[hchutch]

Excuse me, we had 3,000 people killed when four airliners were turned into ad hoc cruise missiles.

We KNOW some of these folks were also asking about crop-dusters. Now, what might a terrorist use a cropduster for? I can think of two items: Chemical weapons or biological weapons. Hit a stadium with a major league baseball or football game, and you'll easily top the 9/11 death toll. You might even top the death toll of Anitetam, considered the bloodiest day in American history.

Saddam Hussein has the type of track record that makes it impossible for me in good conscience, to support any policy that leaves the risk in place that he might give chemical or biological weapons to a terrorist group.

Quite frankly, your position is morally indefensible. You're trusting the likes of Saddam Hussein with the lives of tens of thousands of American citizens. The most charitable word for such thinking is naive.

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

Cause this rightiously has Saddam's and all of Iran and Iraq's wacko muslim OBL cohorts names on it.

[JohnGalt]

Where did I say I trusted Saddam?

It was none other than Rumsfield and James Baker who said we could trust Saddam back in the eighties. I guess they still think they are fit to comment on foreign policy even after such disasters that have cost the country trillions of dollars and so many lives.

I guess I just don't but into the boogeyman theory of history. You seem to be privy to a lot of evidence that the President doesn't have.

[JohnGalt]

I find the center left-center right to be an unholy alliance.

Thats all.

[hchutch]

Am I privy to information? Where have I said that?

I'm just applying common sense based on what Saddam Hussein has done since the cease-fire that ended Desert Storm.

Something you seem to be unable to do.

[JohnGalt]

Are you suggesting that 9/11 was an unintended consequence of the First Gulf War?