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To: VRWC_minion
Did you know that the states existed before the declaration of independence ?

Irrelevant nonsense. The Declaration does not confer rights in any case. It is however off topic.

Also, its amazing that when I show you examples of how the state creates property rights you continue to ignore them and stay in denial.

You have shown examples of lots of things, they all have been however, non sequiters.

434 posted on 03/16/2003 1:17:03 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: Protagoras
You have shown examples of lots of things, they all have been however, non sequiters.

No, they are living breathing examples that prove your theoretical basis is nonsense because if it were as you said these examples wouldn't exist.

I understand where your mistaken. You are confusing the theory used to establish this country with reality. In theory you are correct. In reality you cannot be mre wrong. Not only was the state (read individual colonies) supreme over the individual at the time of the signing of the declaration, we have since traded more and more of our natural property rights to the state for security and other so called benefits.

I once thought as you did. You believe that at one frozen moment in time we actually had a state where we existed apart from the state and (you are also confusing federal with state) that this state had no power or control over the property of its inhabitants.-Total nonsense.

The declaration was about continuing the the already eixting government(s) or colonies but without answerring to the King. In order to do that the authority of the individual replaced the King. A pure moment in time where you had property rights outside of a state never existed.

You have created a fantasy of the way things should be. Its not the way things are or ever have been.

437 posted on 03/16/2003 1:54:46 PM PST by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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