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To: OXENinFLA
I didn't see where Congress used Art 1 Sec 8 Cl 11 as the authority to authorize the president to prosecute war. Did I miss that? If I did, then I'm happy that they used their Constitutional power. What I saw was reference to UN mandates. Congress has no authority to authorize the executive to go to war outside 1-8-11.

22 posted on 03/09/2003 3:57:46 PM PST by William Terrell (People can exist without government but government can't exist without people.)
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To: William Terrell
Congress hasn't formally declared war since December 1941. Yet we have had 3 major and many more small wars since, and I can't recall that any of the Presidents involved were pursued by Congress for them.

Consider this.

Here is the relevant excerpt:

In other words, Congressional silence - especially in military affairs, where the President wears the mantle of constitutionally delegated Commander-in-Chief - enables him to act unilaterally. Thus, if Congress is silent about an attack on Iraq, which so far it has been, there is no doubt that under Justice Jackson's Youngstown analysis, President Bush has the power to act unilaterally.

It is another story entirely if the President acts against the express, or even implied, wishes of Congress. He is then at the "lowest ebb" of his power.Then, according to Jackson, the President can - rely only upon his own constitutional powers minus any constitutional powers of Congress over the matter. [e.g., the the President's Article II power as Commander-in-Chief, versus Congress's Article I power to declare (but not make) war].

In the case of Iraq, however, whatever Congress has already done to authorize the President's actions (see the Joint Resolution), it is manifest that the Legislature - unlike in Youngstown, where Jackson found that seizure was contrary to the will of Congress - has done nothing to oppose military action against Saddam Hussein's regime.

I encourage you to read the whole article referenced above as it details the case very acurately.
23 posted on 03/09/2003 4:42:03 PM PST by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber!)
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To: William Terrell
I didn't see where Congress used Art 1 Sec 8 Cl 11 as the authority to authorize the president to prosecute war.

Just because they didn't cite it doesn't mean they didn't use it. Congress rarely cites it authority to do what it does. Of course that's often because it doesn't have any. Not true in this case however.

26 posted on 03/09/2003 4:47:02 PM PST by El Gato
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