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To: mommadooo3
It's a religious war all right. This is the war between darkness and light.

Looking at Genesis, there 2 creations. One a little more expansive than the other. Right off the bat there is light, to seperate the darkness. Meaning all was darkness at first. Since the sun and moon didn't come along til later... this 'light' and 'darkness' to me indicate 'good and evil' or 'right and wrong'. Duality.

Next thing that stands out is obedience. Or more precisely 'dis-obedience'. Adam and Eve are kicked out of the garden.

Now, this is just an observation, and one I noticed several years ago, and that is, that in the 1st creation all animals including and Adam and Eve were told to go forth and multiply. In the 2nd creation, these words are missing.

Now, I suppose one could look at things from a different perspective, but we don't have a whole lot of 'time' involed, to compare data, so it would only be a supposition to say, that had they not partaken of the tree of knowledge, they wouldn't have known of evil, or procreation.

The first creation being 'carnal/flesh', and the second not. What we might consider 'spiritual'?

I, also noticed something else, Adam and Eve's first born is Cain. Second born is Abel. Cain kills Abel. Just as the first creation was carnal/flesh, so too was A&E's first creation 'carnal or bad/evil', committing the first murder, because of 'jealousy'.

Eve partakes of the tree of knowledge because she wanted to be 'better' than what she was? 'Pride'.

Then we get to Abram and Hagar. Hagar becomes prideful when she conceives, eventually giving birth to Ishmael. Later Abram, now called Abraham and Sarah give birth to Isaac. Ishmael's birth is 'carnal/of the flesh', while Isaac's birth was based on 'promise/spiritual'.

God reinforced the separation of the child of 'flesh', from the Spiritual Child/Promise, when Hagar and Ishmael were sent off to wander.

One more thing to contemplate. Ishmael, the branch that gives us the Arabs. The arabs whose religion (Islam) tells its men that they will get 72 virgins in Paradise. A religion wanting to continue the 'carnal/flesh' world in Heaven......

I view the two as 'non-spiritual' and 'Spiritual'.

We ARE in the midst of the war between evil and good, darkness and light. imho
56 posted on 03/09/2003 7:18:25 AM PST by ET(end tyranny) (Heavenly Father, please embrace, and protect, our Pres., our troops and those of our true allies.)
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To: ET(end tyranny)
Hmmm. Interesting take...
84 posted on 03/09/2003 8:24:42 AM PST by null and void
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To: ET(end tyranny)
"I, also noticed something else, Adam and Eve's first born is Cain. Second born is Abel. Cain kills Abel."

Not that you have anyway of knowing this (because today's priests/ministers are no longer schooled in the classics), but "Cain" is ancient Hebrew/Yiddish for "spear", while "Abel" is ancient Hebrew/Yiddish for "vanity".

The tale is a metaphor. The spear (Cain) slew vanity (Abel).

It gives an entirely new meaning to the Bible when one reads it in its original format.

106 posted on 03/09/2003 8:52:01 AM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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