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ANDREW SULLIVAN: Clinton talked a good war — Bush has to fight it
The Sunday Times ^ | March 9, 2003 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 03/08/2003 3:19:45 PM PST by MadIvan

Here’s a simple quiz. Who said the following: “What if (Saddam) fails to comply and we fail to act, or we take some ambiguous third route which gives him yet more opportunities to develop this programme of weapons of mass destruction? . . . Well, he will conclude that the international community has lost its will. He will then conclude that he can go right on and do more to rebuild an arsenal of devastating destruction. And some day, some way, I guarantee you he’ll use the arsenal.”

Full marks if you guessed Bill Clinton. It was 1998. But I wonder how many of you did. To read the papers, to watch the “anti-war” protesters, to listen to the BBC, you’d easily imagine that out of the blue a belligerent and new American administration had torn up the rule book and started a new foreign policy unconnected to the old one.

The truth, however, is that Bush’s policy towards Iraq is the same as Bill Clinton’s. After the United Nations inspectors found they could no longer do their job effectively in 1998, America shifted its policy towards regime change in Baghdad — exactly the policy now being pursued.

The difference lies in the sense of urgency being applied to the same policy. September 11 made the White House acutely aware of the ruthlessness of the new terror masters: suddenly, the American homeland was in play. The possibility of a chemical or biological 9/11 made Washington realise that its Iraq policy needed enforcement. Regime change needed to mean what it said.

Clinton was a master of the European dialogue. He meant very few things he said but he said them very well. He was a great schmoozer. When he compared the Serbian genocide to the Holocaust, it sounded earnest but nobody, least of all the Bosnians, believed he meant it.

And he didn’t. If he had, he wouldn’t have allowed 250,000 to be murdered in Europe while he delegated American foreign policy to the morally feckless and militarily useless European Union. Ditto with Iraq and Al-Qaeda. A few missiles; some sanctions that starved millions but kept Saddam in power; and a big rhetorical game kept up the pretence of seriousness. But there was no attempt to match words with actions.

Bush’s style couldn’t be more different. He’s blunt, straightforward, folksy, direct. Although his formal speeches have been as eloquent as any president’s in modern times, his informal discourse makes a European wince. And his early distancing from many of Clinton’s policies, his assertion of American sovereignty in critical matters, undoubtedly ruffled some Euro lapels. In retrospect, he could have been more politic.

But the point is: Bush’s foreign policy is not so different from Clinton’s. In fact, Bush came into office far less interventionist than Clinton and far more modest than Al Gore. His campaign platform budgeted less for defence than Gore’s did. And his instincts were more firmly multilateral. That changed a year and a half ago. 9/11 made him realise that American withdrawal from the world was no longer an option. But even then, the notion of Bush’s unilateralism is greatly exaggerated.

To be sure, last spring the Bush White House argued that taking out Saddam’s weapons was non- negotiable. But by last September, Bush decided to pursue the policy of disarmament through the UN, despite the risk of falling into the inspections trap that has proved so intractable. And now, even after a unanimous resolution supporting serious consequences if Saddam refused to disarm immediately and completely, he’s going back to the UN for permission to enforce the resolution by military means. His reward? Contempt and derision.

Now compare Clinton’s similar dilemma of how to deal with the Balkan crisis in the 1990s, culminating in the Kosovo intervention. Did Clinton go through the UN to justify his eventual Nato bombardment of Serbia? No, because the Russians pledged to veto such a military engagement. Where were the peace protesters back then? In terms of international law, those American bombs in Belgrade were less defensible than any that will rain down on Baghdad. Serbia had never attacked the US. No UN mandate provided cover. But Clinton ordered bombing anyway. And the same people who now attack Bush cheered Clinton on.

Or take Kyoto, the emblem of what Europe finds so distasteful about Bush. What nobody seems to remember is that Clinton had done nothing to ensure the implementation of the Kyoto accord in his term of office. Besides, under the American constitution, it is the Senate that has to ratify such a treaty. And what happened when the Senate considered the Kyoto treaty? It was voted down 95-0, under Clinton. So how can Bush be held responsible? Bush’s fault was not killing Kyoto, it was announcing its already determined demise.

Some have argued that Bush hasn’t spent enough time schmoozing foreign leaders or reaching out to the broader global public like Clinton did. But Clinton never had to face the kind of tough decisions Bush has been presented with. It’s easy to enjoy sweet relations with allies when no tough issues actually emerge.

In any case, Bush has spent many hours cultivating world leaders. Otherwise, how do you explain his remarkable relationship with Tony Blair, an ideological and personal opposite? Or the hours Bush spent bringing Putin around on Nato expansion and the end of the ABM treaty? Or the relationship with Pakistan’s President Musharraf, which last week delivered the biggest victory against Al-Qaeda since the liberation of Afghanistan? And last December’s 15-0 UN resolution against Saddam was a huge diplomatic coup for the White House. It is hardly the Americans’ fault if the French and Russians refuse to enforce the meaning of the resolution they signed.

The truth is: Bush’s diplomatic headaches have much less to do with his poor diplomatic skills than with the fact that he is trying ambitious things. Rather than simply forestall crises, Bush is doing the hard thing. He’s calling for democracy in the Middle East. He’s aiming to make the long-standing American policy of regime change in Iraq a reality. He wants to defeat Islamist terrorism rather than make excuses for tolerating its cancerous growth. When this amount of power is fuelled by this amount of conviction, of course the world is aroused and upset.

What the world is afraid of, after all, is not the deposing of Saddam. What the world is afraid of is American hyperpower wielded by a man of faith and conviction. Bush’s manner grates. His style — like Reagan’s — offends. But, like Reagan, he is not an anomaly in American foreign policy; he is merely a vivid representative of a deep and idealistic strain within it.

And history shows that the world has far more to gain from the deployment of that power than by its withdrawal. If the poor people of Iraq know that lesson, what’s stopping the Europeans?


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arkansas; US: District of Columbia; US: Texas; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: andrewsullivanlist; blair; bush; clinton; iraq; saddam; uk; unirrelevant; usa
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To: MadIvan
BTW...didn't Clinton say that he didn't have a 'defining moment' like 9/11 in his presidency.

What sort of sick individual sees the loss of 3,000 lives of his own people as a political opportunity?
41 posted on 03/08/2003 6:07:51 PM PST by Happygal
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To: Happygal
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To: MadIvan
Did Clinton "solving" the Ireland problem endear him or isolate him? I would think that one-upping Great Britain (and claiming credit for the resulting "peace") would NOT be good politics (but great legacy). And since BJ was all about me-me-me, since his presidency would eventualy be over, friends were not as important.
33 posted on 03/08/2003 6:46 PM CST by Optimist

42 posted on 03/08/2003 6:11:17 PM PST by Optimist (I think I'm beginning to see a pattern here)
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To: habs4ever
As far as I'm aware, anything Ivan posts in bold italics or red, are important or pertinent passages to read. Helpful in my opinion...because, I tend to speed read.

Any comments interjected from himself are normally (if I'm not mistaken, in blue with his name afterwards).

I personally find it helpful. And have seen other members here express the same thing.
43 posted on 03/08/2003 6:11:31 PM PST by Happygal
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To: Optimist
If you want to know if the people of Ireland even think of Clinton as 'the man who brought peace to NI'...NO! They don't! *L*

Because, there is no peace in NI.

Thankfully SOME of the factions now are calling a year long cease-fire, but I'll put money on that the factions will have factions within six months.

NI is a freakin' quagmire..underpinned by racketeering.
44 posted on 03/08/2003 6:15:42 PM PST by Happygal
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To: Happygal
So, what you are saying then is that W and Blair have squandered yet another historic success of the William Jefferson Clinton Administration. (/sarcasm)

Gee, if only he could have been ellected for a third term, the world would have remained at peace. Oh, yeah and .....


45 posted on 03/08/2003 6:21:08 PM PST by Optimist (I think I'm beginning to see a pattern here)
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To: Optimist
Eh...yup.

BTW..yer graphic is makin' me queasy! :-)
46 posted on 03/08/2003 6:28:04 PM PST by Happygal
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To: logan five
You guys are nothing but a bunch of Clinton haters!!

Keep up the good work.
47 posted on 03/08/2003 6:37:44 PM PST by JusPasenThru (Bork, Thomas, Estrada...has the Left no shame?)
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To: rickmichaels
Welcome to FreeRepublic.

That picture is a classic. This particular expression is known as "The Look".

Don't Mess With Texas.
48 posted on 03/08/2003 7:08:20 PM PST by baseballmom (Valley Forge Rally - 3/16/03)
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To: MadIvan
He was a great schmoozer. When he compared the Serbian genocide to the Holocaust, it sounded earnest but nobody, least of all the Bosnians, believed he meant it.

But our so-called "First Black President" failed to use the word "genocide" to describe what happened in Rwanda.

49 posted on 03/08/2003 7:11:21 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: MadIvan
Great article by Andrew.

I was very suprised - pleasantly so - that Blair and GWB seem to be on the same wavelength. This good working and personal relationship bodes well for both our countries.

It's good to know that Tony Blair knew Clinton's game. My respect for him just keeps growing.

Just want to add that I appreciate your highlighting certain passages in articles you post. And I also look forward to your interesting insights into the political situation in Britain.
50 posted on 03/08/2003 7:14:48 PM PST by baseballmom (Valley Forge Rally - 3/16/03)
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To: MadIvan
Thanks for another great post, Ivan.

For those unsure of the origins of the portions marked in red, perhaps a standard sort of boilerplate note at the end of the posting would help. Something such as "[For emphasis, portions of the original posting have been highlighted in red by the poster, MadIvan]".

Or something like that.

51 posted on 03/08/2003 7:20:55 PM PST by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!!!)
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To: Happygal
Are you kidding? Did that POS really say that?
52 posted on 03/08/2003 10:31:16 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: rickmichaels
THIS PICTURE PAINTS A THOUSAND WORDS - HOW ABOUT FOR INSTANCE - "YOU'RE OUTTA HERE" TRANSLATION; YOU DON'T HAVE ONE MORE DAY TO TRASH THE WHITE HOUSE, AIR FORCE ONE OR MY COUNTRY EVER AGAIN!
53 posted on 03/08/2003 11:10:05 PM PST by Roni Dowd
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To: Happygal
Well DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
54 posted on 03/09/2003 12:54:54 AM PST by Atchafalaya
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To: MadIvan
You're greatly appreciated here. An old song says it best: "Don't change a hair for me. Not if you care for me."

By the way, Many months ago Blair made a statement which I'll have to paraphrase. He said that he liked Bush better than Clinton because he knew Bush. was telling him the truth.
55 posted on 03/09/2003 2:20:04 AM PST by kitkat
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To: baseballmom; rickmichaels
rickmichaels has been around for a year so is not new. I have the same problem of seeing 2002 and forgetting it is 2003. Easier way to check for new members is to put your mouse pointer over their name in their post and you will see their profile number in the bottom toolbar.
56 posted on 03/09/2003 2:22:03 AM PST by KeyWest
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To: MadIvan
Attention all debaters:::

This Clinton'98 quote is a devastating ploy to pull out against the peaceniks.

It is worth knowing, at least in close paraphrase. I've stopped several folks dead in their tracks with it.
57 posted on 03/09/2003 4:34:50 AM PST by AFPhys
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To: AFPhys
Do you recall the evening that sinkEmperor came on TV to announce his cruise missle attack into Afghanistan and Sudan, his declarartion of war against terrorists? He sent the missles AFTER the al Qaeda ghouls were a day and a half gone from the camp (a feckless waste of more than one-hundred million dollars in missles)--and he knew it, his intel had informed him. His action was timed to distract the nation from his deviancy tribulations, never to take meaningful action against the terrorists he declined to pursue or arrest when givent he chance.

Do you recall ANYTHING the deviant clinton did to prepare this nation or our military for this war against terrorist declared that night? He did the opposite, wilfully leaving this nation vulnerable because he lacked the balls to act when it might effect the political environment he had created for the democrat party.

clinton and his democrats sacrificed US for his continued empowerment. Now, he and they seek to undermine in any way they can the administration acting to wage the war left to it, the declared war languishing since the deviant abandoned this nation to hide his corruption. May God have mercy on US if we do not take to heart the lessons of selfish appeasement and manipulative postponement so graphically illustrated with 9/11.

58 posted on 03/09/2003 3:36:00 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: MadIvan
Some people are too sensitive to color. Forget them Ivan, and continue enlightening us with your excellent posts.
59 posted on 03/09/2003 4:02:38 PM PST by Paulus Invictus (Coke make)
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To: Paulus Invictus; MadIvan
Dittos to MadIvan ... keep up the exemplary work!
60 posted on 03/09/2003 4:04:59 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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