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ANDREW SULLIVAN: Clinton talked a good war — Bush has to fight it
The Sunday Times ^ | March 9, 2003 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 03/08/2003 3:19:45 PM PST by MadIvan

Here’s a simple quiz. Who said the following: “What if (Saddam) fails to comply and we fail to act, or we take some ambiguous third route which gives him yet more opportunities to develop this programme of weapons of mass destruction? . . . Well, he will conclude that the international community has lost its will. He will then conclude that he can go right on and do more to rebuild an arsenal of devastating destruction. And some day, some way, I guarantee you he’ll use the arsenal.”

Full marks if you guessed Bill Clinton. It was 1998. But I wonder how many of you did. To read the papers, to watch the “anti-war” protesters, to listen to the BBC, you’d easily imagine that out of the blue a belligerent and new American administration had torn up the rule book and started a new foreign policy unconnected to the old one.

The truth, however, is that Bush’s policy towards Iraq is the same as Bill Clinton’s. After the United Nations inspectors found they could no longer do their job effectively in 1998, America shifted its policy towards regime change in Baghdad — exactly the policy now being pursued.

The difference lies in the sense of urgency being applied to the same policy. September 11 made the White House acutely aware of the ruthlessness of the new terror masters: suddenly, the American homeland was in play. The possibility of a chemical or biological 9/11 made Washington realise that its Iraq policy needed enforcement. Regime change needed to mean what it said.

Clinton was a master of the European dialogue. He meant very few things he said but he said them very well. He was a great schmoozer. When he compared the Serbian genocide to the Holocaust, it sounded earnest but nobody, least of all the Bosnians, believed he meant it.

And he didn’t. If he had, he wouldn’t have allowed 250,000 to be murdered in Europe while he delegated American foreign policy to the morally feckless and militarily useless European Union. Ditto with Iraq and Al-Qaeda. A few missiles; some sanctions that starved millions but kept Saddam in power; and a big rhetorical game kept up the pretence of seriousness. But there was no attempt to match words with actions.

Bush’s style couldn’t be more different. He’s blunt, straightforward, folksy, direct. Although his formal speeches have been as eloquent as any president’s in modern times, his informal discourse makes a European wince. And his early distancing from many of Clinton’s policies, his assertion of American sovereignty in critical matters, undoubtedly ruffled some Euro lapels. In retrospect, he could have been more politic.

But the point is: Bush’s foreign policy is not so different from Clinton’s. In fact, Bush came into office far less interventionist than Clinton and far more modest than Al Gore. His campaign platform budgeted less for defence than Gore’s did. And his instincts were more firmly multilateral. That changed a year and a half ago. 9/11 made him realise that American withdrawal from the world was no longer an option. But even then, the notion of Bush’s unilateralism is greatly exaggerated.

To be sure, last spring the Bush White House argued that taking out Saddam’s weapons was non- negotiable. But by last September, Bush decided to pursue the policy of disarmament through the UN, despite the risk of falling into the inspections trap that has proved so intractable. And now, even after a unanimous resolution supporting serious consequences if Saddam refused to disarm immediately and completely, he’s going back to the UN for permission to enforce the resolution by military means. His reward? Contempt and derision.

Now compare Clinton’s similar dilemma of how to deal with the Balkan crisis in the 1990s, culminating in the Kosovo intervention. Did Clinton go through the UN to justify his eventual Nato bombardment of Serbia? No, because the Russians pledged to veto such a military engagement. Where were the peace protesters back then? In terms of international law, those American bombs in Belgrade were less defensible than any that will rain down on Baghdad. Serbia had never attacked the US. No UN mandate provided cover. But Clinton ordered bombing anyway. And the same people who now attack Bush cheered Clinton on.

Or take Kyoto, the emblem of what Europe finds so distasteful about Bush. What nobody seems to remember is that Clinton had done nothing to ensure the implementation of the Kyoto accord in his term of office. Besides, under the American constitution, it is the Senate that has to ratify such a treaty. And what happened when the Senate considered the Kyoto treaty? It was voted down 95-0, under Clinton. So how can Bush be held responsible? Bush’s fault was not killing Kyoto, it was announcing its already determined demise.

Some have argued that Bush hasn’t spent enough time schmoozing foreign leaders or reaching out to the broader global public like Clinton did. But Clinton never had to face the kind of tough decisions Bush has been presented with. It’s easy to enjoy sweet relations with allies when no tough issues actually emerge.

In any case, Bush has spent many hours cultivating world leaders. Otherwise, how do you explain his remarkable relationship with Tony Blair, an ideological and personal opposite? Or the hours Bush spent bringing Putin around on Nato expansion and the end of the ABM treaty? Or the relationship with Pakistan’s President Musharraf, which last week delivered the biggest victory against Al-Qaeda since the liberation of Afghanistan? And last December’s 15-0 UN resolution against Saddam was a huge diplomatic coup for the White House. It is hardly the Americans’ fault if the French and Russians refuse to enforce the meaning of the resolution they signed.

The truth is: Bush’s diplomatic headaches have much less to do with his poor diplomatic skills than with the fact that he is trying ambitious things. Rather than simply forestall crises, Bush is doing the hard thing. He’s calling for democracy in the Middle East. He’s aiming to make the long-standing American policy of regime change in Iraq a reality. He wants to defeat Islamist terrorism rather than make excuses for tolerating its cancerous growth. When this amount of power is fuelled by this amount of conviction, of course the world is aroused and upset.

What the world is afraid of, after all, is not the deposing of Saddam. What the world is afraid of is American hyperpower wielded by a man of faith and conviction. Bush’s manner grates. His style — like Reagan’s — offends. But, like Reagan, he is not an anomaly in American foreign policy; he is merely a vivid representative of a deep and idealistic strain within it.

And history shows that the world has far more to gain from the deployment of that power than by its withdrawal. If the poor people of Iraq know that lesson, what’s stopping the Europeans?


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arkansas; US: District of Columbia; US: Texas; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: andrewsullivanlist; blair; bush; clinton; iraq; saddam; uk; unirrelevant; usa
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To: rickmichaels
The grifter was eyeing up one of the Bush twins during the inauguration.
21 posted on 03/08/2003 4:16:50 PM PST by OldFriend
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To: habs4ever
Ivan's comments are in blue and Ivan should be left alone to do exactly as he does which is post some of the most informative articles that show up on a regular basis on FR.
22 posted on 03/08/2003 4:17:31 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: MadIvan
I had one person thank me for doing so. If you can get sufficient people to vote in favour of your proposal, fine.

Don't you dare change anything with regard to your posts.

23 posted on 03/08/2003 4:18:45 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: MadIvan
Ivan, did you see the Oxford Union Debate on whether the US was the biggest barrier to world Peace? C-SPAN showed it here. Very interesting. Why did the 'speaker of the union' where a kilt? Just curious.
24 posted on 03/08/2003 4:22:49 PM PST by Jabba the Nutt
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To: MadIvan
on clinton: "He meant very few things he said but he said them very well. "

What a shmuck. Everything is pretense with liberals.

25 posted on 03/08/2003 4:23:10 PM PST by Republic (tommy daschle is a WEASEL OF MASS DISTORTION (tractorman)-so truthful, it almost HURTS!)
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To: Jabba the Nutt
Ivan, did you see the Oxford Union Debate on whether the US was the biggest barrier to world Peace? C-SPAN showed it here. Very interesting. Why did the 'speaker of the union' where a kilt? Just curious.

I don't watch much television anymore - I get my news from the internet and listen to Classic FM on the radio. So the debate passed me by - I can only guess the fellow who wore a kilt was Scottish.

Regards, Ivan

26 posted on 03/08/2003 4:24:43 PM PST by MadIvan (Learn the power of the Dark Side, www.thedarkside.net)
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To: SAMWolf
Bush is going to spend years cleaning up the mess Clinton left.

Too bad the GOP spokesman aren't proclaiming this everytime they can
27 posted on 03/08/2003 4:32:57 PM PST by uncbob ( building tomorrow)
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To: MadIvan
I enjoy your red highlights. The make my e-mail look good when I send these British articles to my friends who don't hear all the news on US televiosion.

Carry on.

28 posted on 03/08/2003 4:35:03 PM PST by ez (WHEN IT COMES TO OUR SECURITY, WE DON'T NEED ANYONE'S PERMISSION!!)
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To: MadIvan
I do not believe Blair is Bush's "opposite", however - both are deeply religious men, and they communicate on that level.

So, what was Blair's connection to Slick Willy? His "bonding" with "the Bent One" certainly didn't generate any respect in my eyes. Does he respect the office or the man? Or has he had a metamorphosis?

29 posted on 03/08/2003 4:36:09 PM PST by Optimist (I think I'm beginning to see a pattern here)
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To: Optimist
I think their connection was less deep than most realised. Blair felt he "owed" Clinton, as Clinton showed the way for how left wing politicians could win office. BUT: the "friendship" did not survive Clinton's jealousy of Blair - during Kosovo, Blair seemed much more purposeful and got better press than Clinton did. Also, Blair was contemptuous of Clinton in private - the running joke among Blair's aides was "Bill gives great blow", meaning he talks a good game but does nothing.

So it was less rosy than first suggested. And it probably still is. Bush simply has none of Clinton's malice or ego - Blair is absolutely delighted and relieved, apparently, to be dealing with a President who means what he says.

Regards, Ivan

30 posted on 03/08/2003 4:39:03 PM PST by MadIvan (Learn the power of the Dark Side, www.thedarkside.net)
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To: rickmichaels
I LOVE this photo!!!!!
31 posted on 03/08/2003 4:42:54 PM PST by cubreporter
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To: MadIvan
I also enjoy your highlighting the important bits.
32 posted on 03/08/2003 4:43:28 PM PST by e_engineer
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To: MadIvan
Did Clinton "solving" the Ireland problem endear him or isolate him? I would think that one-upping Great Britain (and claiming credit for the resulting "peace") would NOT be good politics (but great legacy). And since BJ was all about me-me-me, since his presidency would eventualy be over, friends were not as important.
33 posted on 03/08/2003 4:46:26 PM PST by Optimist (I think I'm beginning to see a pattern here)
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To: uncbob
You got that right, if Clinton can bash and bad mouth the current administration they should just point out the facts about Clinton's failures every chance they get.
34 posted on 03/08/2003 5:00:13 PM PST by SAMWolf (We do not bargain with terrorists, we stalk them, corner them , take aim and kill them)
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To: SAMWolf
Bush is going to spend years cleaning up the mess Clinton left.

Bush only has six years.

We will all be dealing with Clinton fallout until the day I die, and we live a *long* time in my family, and I'm only 45.

But, in the "Silver Lining" department, I'll definitely get to watch Bubba's funeral on TV one day.

35 posted on 03/08/2003 5:03:31 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: MadIvan
bump
36 posted on 03/08/2003 5:07:33 PM PST by redbaiter
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To: hellinahandcart
But, in the "Silver Lining" department, I'll definitely get to watch Bubba's funeral on TV one day

Boy, there's a day I'm looking forward to.

37 posted on 03/08/2003 5:13:31 PM PST by SAMWolf (We do not bargain with terrorists, we stalk them, corner them , take aim and kill them)
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To: MadIvan
I had one person thank me for doing so.

Count me as the second, or whatever.

If you can get sufficient people to vote in favour of your proposal, fine.

Ivan, you might want to check where your critic is coming from, if you get my drift.

38 posted on 03/08/2003 5:27:09 PM PST by jackbill
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To: hellinahandcart
a short metaphor seems to work for me....regarding bc's legacy....

grand dad had a car.

he cared for it and washed it every day after driving it about.

grand dad passed on... and the car went to dad....

and the dad drove the piss out of it.....

and then dad passed... and the car passed... to son...

and the son started the car and it collapsed in to pieces....and so the son began restoring it..

everyone looked at the son with scorn and said "why look, you've ruined and broken the family car that has been around for 2 generations!"

such is that fellow's legacy, if the historians are truthful...

l5
39 posted on 03/08/2003 5:55:39 PM PST by logan five
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To: MadIvan
Clinton was a master of the European dialogue. He meant very few things he said but he said them very well.

In the same way as Clinton heralds he brought peace to Northern Ireland. Funny how Tony Blair, in the middle of an Iraqi war situation, spent time last week in NI trying to diplomatically soothe the waters once again in my disgruntled nation.

Clinton WAS, and remains a schmoozer.

40 posted on 03/08/2003 6:06:10 PM PST by Happygal
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