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Centralized power requires an army of bureaucrats and tax.

100 laws for seizure sans due process.

Assume the property committed the crime.

Police state mentaily.

Starting with FDR in 34, Fed cops are now 10%. FBI now nat'l cops.

IRS is a political threat force.

Congress has left us.

We need no more centralized police efforts. We need no more wiretaps that have become epidemic in this last decade. We have had enough Wacos and Ruby Ridges.

1 posted on 03/08/2003 9:29:27 AM PST by forest
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To: forest
Unfortunately for Rep. Paul, he doesn't seem to realize that libertarianism leads to totalitarianism.
2 posted on 03/08/2003 9:33:57 AM PST by HumanaeVitae
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To: forest
Ron Paul has his fans.I think he's a bit out of touch with our fight against Islamofacism.
3 posted on 03/08/2003 9:34:26 AM PST by MEG33
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To: forest
The author should have been Doug Fiedor, who quoted Ron Paul.

Sorry.

Forest

4 posted on 03/08/2003 9:50:20 AM PST by forest
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To: forest
We need no more centralized police efforts. We need no more wiretaps that have become epidemic in this last decade. We have had enough Wacos and Ruby Ridges.

Very clever launching an article like this now on the eve of war when wiretaps can do the most good to root out terrorists in and on our own soil kinda makes a person wonder if theres a hidden agenda

Assume the property committed the crime.

On the other hand i agree that confiscating property for growing a feild of mary jane or setting up one of those pesky amphedamine labs seems a little much maybe we should just do away with those laws that forbid people from giving drugs to kids on school property too .Just to make it fair to that shifty eyed guy whos feeding that little 10 yar old crack for the first time

As far as the gun issue goes [imho] I think if you done the crime and you did your time you should be allowed to own a gun again and if you do the crime of killing someone with the gun the first time [unless its self defense] you either get life or the chair.

15 posted on 03/08/2003 10:11:14 AM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK ("He is a moss-gatherer, and I have been a stone doomed to rolling." Gandalf)
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To: forest
Just ask yourself if we, the people, are truly in charge of the country. We may have been at one time, but haven't been for decades (going back to your example of FDR). Do we control the government or do they control us? This trickles down to the local governments. Pay their ransom fees, er property taxes, or have your house taken away.
28 posted on 03/08/2003 11:01:54 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: forest
Paul / Tancredo in 2004
31 posted on 03/08/2003 11:06:09 AM PST by WhiteGuy (Cynical)
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To: forest; HumanaeVitae; Texas Mom; FF578
Alright, so you guys don't like libertarianism, nor are you big fans of Ron Paul. I've got no real beef with that, but why don't you at least address the issues that RP raises. If he's talking so much "crazy" right now, then why is he wrong about the fed's and the police state.

Ball's in your court . . .

33 posted on 03/08/2003 11:12:13 AM PST by realpatriot71 (legalize freedom!)
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To: forest
"there came a Pharaoh who knew not Joseph.. "
67 posted on 03/08/2003 1:11:31 PM PST by Jhoffa_ ("HI, I'm Johnny Knoxville and this is FReepin' for Zot!")
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To: forest
Excerpts from Barefootsworld; The Constitution For The United States - Its Sources and Its Application http://www.barefootsworld.net/consti10.html PLEASE SEE ENTIRE ARTICLE AND ENTIRE WEBSITE!

"....This MOST IMPORTANT PART of the Bill of Rights -- the PREAMBLE which tells SPECIFICALLY that the Bill of Rights was to make sure the government knew it was limited to the powers stated in the Constitution, and if it didn't, the Amendments spell out the Rights of the People the government couldn't change. Our revisionist historians ALWAYS leave this off the Constitution!!! It is imperative that the complete text be included in any study, interpretation or construction of the contents and the Limitations of government imposed by the Constitution for the United States.

It has been stated that some scholars don't think this is important. This is a fallacy.

It is IMPERATIVE for the following reason:

The first ten amendments are "declaratory and restrictive clauses". This means they supersede and restrict all previous parts of the Constitution, and restrict all subsequent amendments to the framework of the Bill of Rights amendments. The Bill of Rights amendments are a declaration in very plain language of the restrictions to the powers of government and "STATE".

There are people in this country that do not want us to know that this Preamble ever existed. For many years these words and understanding have been "omitted" from presentations of our Constitution.

Public and private schools and colleges alike have based the education of the people and their whole interpretation of the Constitution on this fraudulent omission. (Indeed, when I was searching for it, I was informed by the Dean of the Law School at UC Berkley, that the Bill of Rights amendments had no Preamble.)140

Corrupt judiciary and politicians have, through clever deception, erected interpretations and statutes that fly in the face, in direct contravention of the Bill of Rights amendments. The amendments and their declaratory and restrictive intent can be changed only by due process and the will of the people, as prescribed in the Fifth Article of the Original Constitution.

The Bill of Rights amendments, being declaratory and restrictive, are separate from all the other amendments. The Bill of Rights amendments restrict the Constitution. The Constitution restricts the powers of government and "STATE".

The deception is that government and "STATE" can interpret all of the Amendments and the Constitution itself, to serve the ends of "STATE".

By Omitting and Ignoring the Preamble to the Bill of Rights this has been done, usurping the Rights of the People.

As Thomas Cooley has said in "Principles of Constitutional Law":

"Legislators have their authority measured by the Constitution, they are chosen to do what it permits, and NOTHING MORE, and they take solemn oath to obey and support it . . . To pass an act when they are in DOUBT, whether it does or does not violate the Constitution, is to treat as of no force the most imperative obligations any person can assume."

We the People must end the deception. The ten Amendments adopted make the so-called American Bill of Rights. The plain fact is that these Amendments do not confer any rights on anyone.

These RIGHTS are INHERENT to all FREE MEN, bestowed on them by their CREATOR...."

(SEE LINK ABOVE)

The Constitution and the Bill of Rights were whisked away from their special place at the National Archives some time back (shortly before 911 if I remember correctly), to undergo a "restoration project".

SEE ALSO http://www.barefootsworld.net/article1.html

SEE ALSO GET THAT GOLD FRINGE OFF MY FLAG! http://www.apfn.org/apfn/flag.htm

Has info about Asset Seizure and Forfeiture. You should see the rest of the site as well. VERY interesting!

That being said, Estrada is on the board of directors of a group WHO IS VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF ASSET SEIZURE AND FORFEITURE!!! AND BIOMETRIC PEOPLE TRACKING!!!! AND STRIP SEARCHES OF KIDS IN SCHOOLS!!!! AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH A "FREE REPUBLIC"!!!! OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT THE DEMOCRATS DON'T LIKE HIM, OR AT LEAST PRETEND NOT TO, WHAT IS IT THAT Y'ALL LIKE ABOUT HIM? Hispanics Call for 'Cool Down' on Estrada http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/843004/posts?page=39

Sorry for shouting.

We keep hearing that Estrada is recommended by the American Bar Association. WHO are they??? See here:

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/secretoath.htm

Ninety-Five Theses Against the New World Order - A call for a Paradigm Shift Vine and Fig Tree http://members.aol.com/VF95Theses/paradigm.htm

I posted the above at another thread http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/859806/posts

82 posted on 03/08/2003 1:41:14 PM PST by Ethan_Allen
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To: forest
There can only be a true police state if both major parties want one and if they both want it, then it will happen.
91 posted on 03/08/2003 2:02:17 PM PST by Consort
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To: FF578
Remember: "It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains."

(Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just and His justice cannot sleep forever)

Great post!

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY THAT I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO BRING THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT: WHICH MY COVENANT THEY BRAKE, ALTHOUGH I WAS AN HUSBAND UNTO THEM, SAITH THE LORD: Jer 31:33 BUT THIS SHALL BE THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAITH THE LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; AND WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE. JEREMIAH 31:34 AND THEY SHALL TEACH NO MORE EVERY MAN HIS NEIGHBOUR, AND EVERY MAN HIS BROTHER, SAYING, KNOW THE LORD; FOR THEY SHALL ALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM UNTO THE GREATEST OF THEM, SAITH THE LORD; FOR I WILL FORGIVE THEIR INIQUITY, AND I WILL REMEMBER THEIR SIN NO MORE.

Jer 24:7 And I will give them an heart to know me, that I [am] the LORD: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God: for they shall return unto me with their whole heart. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Jer/24/7.html

2Ch 6:38 If they return to thee with all their heart and with all their soul in the land of their captivity, whither they have carried them captives, and pray toward their land, which thou gavest unto their fathers, and [toward] the city which thou hast chosen, and toward the house which I have built for thy name: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/2Ch/6/38.html

2Ch 6:39 Then hear thou from the heavens, [even] from thy dwelling place, their prayer and their supplications, and maintain their cause, and forgive thy people which have sinned against thee. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/2Ch/6/39.html

2Ch 6:40 Now, my God, let, I beseech thee, thine eyes be open, and [let] thine ears [be] attent unto the prayer [that is made] in this place.

2Ch 6:41 Now therefore arise, O LORD God, into thy resting place, thou, and the ark of thy strength: let thy priests, O LORD God, be clothed with salvation, and let thy saints rejoice in goodness.

2Ch 6:42 O LORD God, turn not away the face of thine anointed: remember the mercies of David thy servant. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/2Ch/6/42.html

Isa 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Isa/55/6.html

Hsa 14:1 O Israel, return unto the LORD thy God; for thou hast fallen by thine iniquity. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Hsa/14/1.html

1Pe 2:9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Pe/1Pe002.html#9

Psa 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Psa/2/1.html

Psa 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, [saying], http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Psa/2/2.html

Psa 2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Psa/2/3.html

Psa 2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Psa/2/4.html

Psa 2:5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Psa/2/5.html

Psa 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Psa/2/6.html

Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Psa/2/7.html

Psa 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give [thee] the heathen [for] thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth [for] thy possession. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Psa/2/8.html

Psa 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Psa/2/9.html

Psa 2:10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Psa/2/10.html

Psa 2:11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Psa/2/11.html

Psa 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish [from] the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed [are] all they that put their trust in him. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Psa/2/12.html

Jam 4:1 From whence [come] wars and fightings among you? [come they] not hence, [even] of your lusts that war in your members? 2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. 3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume [it] upon your lusts....... http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jam/Jam004.htm

Mat 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Mat/21/44.html

Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, [but] it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Dan/2/44.html

Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God [is] with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, [and be] their God. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Rev/21/3.html

Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together.

All right joint-heirs with Christ, again: Psa 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give [thee] the heathen [for] thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth [for] thy possession.

93 posted on 03/08/2003 2:04:44 PM PST by Ethan_Allen
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To: forest
Bump for later read.
178 posted on 03/08/2003 4:46:55 PM PST by Sparta (ANSWER, the new Communist conspiracy for the twenty-first century)
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To: forest

Where will they be playing??? Which state??

192 posted on 03/08/2003 7:59:05 PM PST by Porterville (Screw the grammar, full posting ahead.)
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To: forest
TODAY IS INDEED A SCARY DAWN!
235 posted on 03/09/2003 5:38:35 AM PST by patriot_wes
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To: forest
Good article
379 posted on 03/11/2003 11:54:21 AM PST by 2nd_Amendment_Defender
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To: forest
The authority NOT granted to the federal government IS reserved for the states. Says so in the constitution and Paul makes a lot of sense to me.
394 posted on 03/11/2003 1:09:42 PM PST by sandydipper
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