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To: Migraine
The Bible also prescribes death for idolators. It includes stories both of God himself committing mass killings of idolators (the worshippers of the Golden Calf) and of God ordering humans to do so (wiping out the entire populations of many cities the Israelites captured in the conquest of the "holy land" under Moses and Joshua).

If we followed all the injunctions of the bible we would behave not much different from the most radical of Muslims. Neither do, nor must, all Muslims so treat the Koran.
11 posted on 03/07/2003 9:02:10 PM PST by Stultis
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To: Stultis
You show bad judgment and ignorance in attempting to find moral similarities between Allah and the God of the Bible.
18 posted on 03/07/2003 9:10:51 PM PST by fatidic
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To: Stultis
Re: Post 11

If we followed all the injunctions of the bible we would behave not much different from the most radical of Muslims. Neither do, nor must, all Muslims so treat the Koran.

Lets put a stop to this lie that keeps getting repeated on these posts. Moral relativists keep pulling out the distinct commands that God gave to the Hebrews to utterly destroy the Canaanites as they came into the Promised Land - and equate it with the passages in the Koran and Hadith that seem to the normal reader to say 'if you can't conver the Infidel (meaning me -and most Americans) - then kill them'. A command issued in a specific place and time 3500 hundred years ago against a specific people vs. an open ended on-going command against 'us'.

Furthermore the Bible passages, being from God, carry a lot of spirtual weight as we can see the picture of the Hebrews entering the Promised Land as the Believers coming to Christ. The Hebrews were told to utterly destroy the Canaanites (idolators, sacrificers of infants, practicioners of bestiality, and an utterly disgusting lot) but they failed to do so. Believers are told to utterly destroy the sin in their lives, and we fail to do so. Both the Hebrews and the Believers need a Saviour and King.
I have yet to read what symbolism is represented by the Koran and Hadith's command to provide blood sacrifices to their god.

No, if we followed the 'injunctions of the Bible' we would know that we are sinners whose only hope of Salvation is through the Grace of God. We are to believe on the LORD (and that is LORD - our Sovereign King) Jesus and be 'washed'. Our job is to bring the Gospel. God will Judge (and I'm talking about spiritual/eternal Judgement, not the judgements and the discernments we all need to make in our lives) - not us.

Conversely those that follow the 'injunctions of the Koran/Hadith' probably are compelled to plow airplanes into buildings full of civilians.

32 posted on 03/08/2003 12:17:34 AM PST by El Cid
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To: Stultis
Nowhere in the Gospels of Jesus Christ, is there any verses such as ;"Jesus {Muhammed} is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbeleivers, but merciful to one another" as it states in the Surah 48:29....nice try though, now go get a copy of the Quoran, AND READ IT!
34 posted on 03/08/2003 12:44:14 AM PST by BOOTSTICK
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To: Stultis
If we followed all the injunctions of the bible we would behave not much different from the most radical of Muslims.

Respectfully, I think you oversimplify. Did the God of the Bible make the blanket assertion, for all time, that the Israelites (or anyone else) were to "kill the enemies of god, wherever you find them"? No. But Allah of the Koran did.

It may seem to you irrelevant for me to state that the God of the Bible ordered war to be made upon very specific Canaanite cities as the Israelites were moving in and taking over. From God's point of view, He had just spent 400 years separating for Himself a "people" by isolating them from those same Canaanites, in a very segregated condition, down in Egypt. He had revealed Himself to them and wanted to preserve them as His "peculiar treasure". It was thus necessary (if the previous 400 years were to count for something), to prevent the mixing of truth with error (especially since the error, the forbidden fruit, can often be perceived as being "more fun").

But, critics charge, how can this justify killing massive numbers of people? It never seems to occur to the critics that the Canaanites had heard of the miraculous God of the Israelites and His exploits in Egypt and at the Red Sea and in the wilderness. It seems reasonable to me that such powerful reality, on the ground, should seem so irresistable as to cause one to say, "How do I join up?" Rahab, for instance, had heard, and she wisely asked to be included. But no. City and tribe after city and tribe decided to try and fight against the Israelites, and, thus, against their God.

Critics might also be prone to ask why a "pure Israel" or a "chosen people" would be necessary or even just. I hear it all the time. I sense that some modern Jews are even a little apologetic about the concept. But, as a Christian, I understand, now, that the whole point was to nurture a people, via a covenant, through which, eventually, to send God's Son, the Savior, to redeem the fallen world.

So, far from prescribing death to idolators, or summarily ordering His followers to go out and make war against all "enemies" of God, the God of the Bible intervened in history at very specific, crucial moments in order to accomplish the Redemption He set out to accomplish immediately after The Fall of Adam and Eve. There is no equivalency here, between the God of the Bible and the Allah of the Koran.

Lastly, just as the Canaanites of old would have been better off joining in worshipping the One who appeared in pillar of cloud and fire and sent bread from heaven and brought forth water from rocks, so, today, would the modern Canaanites be better joining the returned Israelites (if not in religion, then in government), whose God not only preserved them through 2000 years of being scattered, but also has preserved them through 55 years of constant siege, keeping their perfect 5-0 record unblemished. But will they ever see the light? We'll see. But if history is any indicator, the heathen will continue to rage.

Sorry for my verbosity.

47 posted on 03/08/2003 11:21:53 AM PST by Migraine
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