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1 posted on 03/07/2003 8:13:58 PM PST by Stultis
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To: Stultis
Sentence after sentence is a stunning lie. Repeated often enough, it makes you forget:

Al-Quaeda
Saudi Arabia
Yemen
Sudan
Shoe Bombers
Dirty Bombers
Night Club Bombers
Donkey Bombers
Tower Bombers
Totalitarian Despots
26 Conflagrations
Calls by innumerable imams to murder
Blaming 9/11 on the Jews

I could spend all night with one liners pointing out that tremendous quantities of evil in the world are committed in the NAME of Islam. All other religions combined cannot come close the total quantity of mayhem caused by Islam DAILY.

CAIR Lies.
2 posted on 03/07/2003 8:29:37 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Peace is Good, Freedom is Better!)
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"We often hear that Muslims have not condemned terrorism enough since the 9/11 attacks. This advertisement is designed to address that issue and show clearly Islam's and the American Muslim community's strong opposition to acts of violence against civilians, whether they are committed by individuals, groups or states," said CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad.

A couple other things A Wad has said:

Islam's Flawed Spokemen

[...] CAIR and AMC in particular would not be chosen as representatives by many Muslims. In fact, there are those in American Muslim communities as well as law enforcement who consider CAIR and the AMC to be part of the problem, because both have been seen as tacitly -- if not explicitly -- supportive of extremist groups guilty of terrorism.

Ibrahim Hooper, communications director of CAIR, refuses to outright condemn Osama bin Laden. "We condemn terrorism, we condemn the attack on the buildings," Hooper said. But why not condemn bin Laden by name, especially after President Bush has now stated that he was clearly responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks?

"If Osama bin Laden was behind it, we condemn him by name," Hooper said. But why the "if" -- why qualify the response? Hooper said he resented the question. And what about prior acts of terror linked to bin Laden? Or that bin Laden has urged Muslims to kill Americans?

Again, Hooper demurred, saying only that he condemns acts of terror.

Both groups also refuse to outright condemn Islamic terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah. In fact, leaders from both groups have, in recent years, been quoted defending or exhorting organizations that the U.S. State Department classifies as "foreign terrorist." [...]

CAIR was particularly critical of the conviction of Sheik Omar Abdul-Rahman, whom U.S. authorities deemed the ringleader of the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center, and who was convicted with nine followers in October 1995 of conspiring to blow up the Lincoln Tunnel along with other New York City landmarks.

CAIR went so far as to include the court conviction of Abdul-Rahman on a list of "hate crimes against Muslims." And CAIR's founder, Nihad Awad, wrote in the Muslim World Monitor that the World Trade Center trial, which ended in the conviction in 1994 of four Islamic fundamentalist terrorists, was "a travesty of justice." According to Awad -- and despite the confessions of the terrorists from the 1993 attack -- "there is ample evidence indicating that both the Mossad and the Egyptian Intelligence played a role in the explosion." (Awad -- who met with President Bush last week -- has been more circumspect in his comments after this World Trade Center bombing.) [...]

Hooper's comments about Hamas and Hezbollah are even more qualified than they were about bin Laden. "If someone carries out terrorist acts, they should be labeled as a terrorist," he says. "If they don't, they shouldn't." Pressed to address these two terrorist groups by name, Hooper said, "If Hamas kills innocent civilians we condemn them. But I'm not going to condemn legitimate resistance to Israeli occupation."

CAIR, Hooper continues, has never even mentioned the word Hamas as an organization, so why should they start now? But that, of course, doesn't include all the mentions of Hamas that CAIR's leaders have made -- including CAIR founder Awad's 1994 declaration that before the peace talks between Israel and the Palestinian Authority he "used to support the PLO," but that now he was "in support of the Hamas movement more than the PLO."

Hamas, meanwhile, has claimed credit for the murders of countless Israeli civilians. Middle East scholars believe that Islamic fundamentalists don't consider many victims of terrorist attacks "innocent," which is how they can defend Hamas as not killing innocent people. Hooper, however, refused to answer questions exploring that theory.

"What you're trying to get me to say is the Palestinians don't deserve to live in peace and freedom," Hooper says -- though neither the Palestinians nor Israel had been mentioned. Questions about whether CAIR would condemn organizations by name unequivocally, instead of qualifying the condemnations, were just "word games from the pro-Israel lobby," Hooper said. Instead, Hooper said that the very questions were the problem, and part of a Zionist conspiracy. "This is a game they play," Hooper said, referring to the pro-Israel lobby. "They give me a long list of people to condemn and if you don't give sufficient condemnation you're a terrorist. We would condemn any person or any group that kills innocent civilians. But it's not my duty that when the pro-Israel lobby says 'Jump' I say 'How high?'"


4 posted on 03/07/2003 8:40:59 PM PST by Stultis
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Depends on how you define "terrorism" and "civilians".

In the Islamist worldview:
- The US commits terrorism by supporting certain Arab leaders.
- And US civilians are combatants becuase they support the US gov't.
5 posted on 03/07/2003 8:48:11 PM PST by polemikos
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Words for PR. Words for the believers. Not the same.

I quote from the Koran. "Kill them wherever you find them... Strike terror into the hearts of the enemies of Allah until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme".

Read 'em and weep.

8 posted on 03/07/2003 8:52:31 PM PST by Migraine
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"American Muslims condemn all acts of terrorism and we are as outraged as our fellow Americans by atrocities committed in the name of God and our religion.

Uh-huh. Sure. We saw the celebrations amongst moslems after 9/11. The outrage from the moslem crowd was sure deafening! You bet. Uh-huh!

22 posted on 03/07/2003 9:21:05 PM PST by nightdriver
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Gee, you would think they would spend their money condeming 911 instead of useing the atrocity to prostilitize. This makes me sick.
23 posted on 03/07/2003 9:22:34 PM PST by JackStrawFan
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Ibrahim Hooper says the campaign is designed to show that Muslims are everyday Americans. "Well we are trying to show that American Muslims are ordinary people," he said. "They are doctors, students, mothers, bus drivers, the checkout person at a grocery store might be a Muslim nowadays and that the vast majority of Muslims will live and die throughout history and never come close to an act of political violence or instability.

Hooper continued, "And each of them thru contributions made at mosques scattered throughout America, contribute money to the Muslim outreach efforts led by Hezbollah, Hamas, Al Queda, and numerous other organizations designed to help infidels choose between death and conversion to Islam."

35 posted on 03/08/2003 12:47:56 AM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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After reading the following, I wondered where the "Projectile-Huge-Chunks-Alert" was.

"...campaign designed to foster greater understanding of Islam and to counter what ad sponsors say is a rising tide of anti-Muslim rhetoric in the United States."

Q:

a. What don't we understand?
Muslims are evil!

b. Counter what Sponsors say?
Take your sick propaganda back home!

c. Rising tide of anti-Muslim?
Most Americans who possess the ability to add 2+2 knew exactly who was to blame for 9-11 and did not swallow the never-ending mantra: "Islam is a religion of Peace."

36 posted on 03/08/2003 3:22:55 AM PST by MeekMom (( Please visit http://CNLGLFG.com) (HUGE Ann-Fan!!!))
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...and we are as outraged as our fellow Americans by atrocities committed in the name of God and our religion.

Complete, unadulterated bullshit.

38 posted on 03/08/2003 5:38:41 AM PST by rickmichaels (American in Spirit)
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Maybe I'm missing something. The ad doesn't condemn terrorism. It portrays Moslems as victims of terror. Not quite the same thing.


39 posted on 03/08/2003 6:42:22 AM PST by SJackson
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"American Muslims condemn all acts of terrorism and we are as outraged as our fellow Americans by atrocities committed in the name of God and our religion.

I might have bought this statement on Sept. 12,2001.

But after 18 months of deafening silence, my conclusion is it's CYA. WAAAAAAAAy too late.

42 posted on 03/08/2003 8:01:03 AM PST by Vinnie
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The text of the latest CAIR ad reads:

"...Islam, Christianity, Judaism and many other faiths share the basic values necessary to create a world where tolerance and peace prevail..."

And who would take this sentence seriously without first rolling their eyeballs 180 degrees, then projectile barfing??

Only Moslems, the French, AND Democrats are capable of uttering the words "tolerance" and "peace" in the same sentence with "Islam" without gagging.

Will many in America wake up and note just who politically and ideologically align themselves with this unholy alliance?

43 posted on 03/08/2003 8:11:55 AM PST by F16Fighter (There is NO difference between the French and Democrats.)
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