Straw takes war to the French in vitriolic United Nations tirade

The Daily Telegraph ^ | March 8, 2003 | Marcus Warren and Robin Gedye

[Catspaw]

Funny--but I found it here:

http://www.krysstal.com/democracy_whyusa03.html

[Grampa Dave]

Both the canals and the rivers. We will not spend a dime in France and Germany as long as their anti America leaders sell wmds for oil to Iraq/Iran.

We can take some great canal barges in the UK.

[RightOnline]

Straw and Blair have been stand-up guys in all this.

This will not be forgotten any time soon.

[Trust but Verify]

You can't go wrong doing any of the crusing you mentioned. There are plenty of beautiful places to see right here at home. I'd put Maine at the top for a summertime adventure. It is spectacular!

[RightOnline]

"I would have loved to see Villipin "sitting and taking it" and his "rage"."

I watched it, and I didn't see the "rage" myself. I saw that prissy little ba**ard just sitting there with a "Hmmmmpphh!!" look on his face, mixed with embarrassment (and rightfully so; he came across as an idiot and Straw called him on it BIG time).

[zefrog]

Like any of this connects with the claim that there is still a strong wave of anti-semitism right now. "Historical context", huh? Heck, you could as well mention that HS Chamberlain was british born and start your delirium out of this, in the name of "historical context".

[Catspaw]

Oh, that's right! I had forgotten about the canal barges in the UK--and we had seen a presentation about them at a sailing conference about a decade ago. Now that's a trip I'd definitely take--and you're making me jealous. We usually take a winter vacation to someplace warm, and we've got plenty of time to make plans.

[Grampa Dave]

We have Brit friends who are now loyal American Citizens, and they went with another couple we know on a 7 day barge trip in the summer.

Both couples had a wonderful time. The people along the canal were great. The shops and the pubs were a pleasure to visit with no language problem.

[Happygal]

So, therefore you can criticise the Front Page article, but you can't actually refute anything it says. Hmmm...

[Catspaw]

You can't go wrong doing any of the crusing you mentioned. There are plenty of beautiful places to see right here at home. I'd put Maine at the top for a summertime adventure. It is spectacular!

We've been to coastal Maine in summer, but sans boat (it was in the early 90's & I still dream wistfully about lobster pounds)...but when our big catamaran is done, it's going to be one of our primo destinations. A number of the full-time and part-time cruisers we've met spend the winter in Florida or the Bahamas and summer in Maine with stops in the Chesapeake on the way down and back up the ICW. It's a lovely lifestyle.

If we were to do more foreign travel, I certainly would go to a country that appreciates the United States, not one that is hostile towards us or our interests.

[zefrog]

"Anything" that frontpage says does nothing to prove that there is still, right now, an antisemitic wave in France, sorry. It's just an enumeration of skeletons in the closets. Anyone can do that, for any country. It's an anti-french paper by an ultra-conservative magazine. Nothing new under the sun.

[MizSterious]

Cathryn: many thanks for this. Just what I needed.

[MadIvan]

Like any of this connects with the claim that there is still a strong wave of anti-semitism right now. "Historical context", huh? Heck, you could as well mention that HS Chamberlain was british born and start your delirium out of this, in the name of "historical context".

I am painstakingly pointing out to you something which you refuse to understand - for you to claim that anti-Semitism is not a problem in France, not only flies in the face of recent events, including record numbers of French Jews going to Israel, it goes against the deep rooted history of anti-Semitism in France. For you to somehow suggest that is magically "not a big problem", is disingenuous to say the least.

At any rate, your comments on this thread have exposed you as a coward, a poseur, a liar, and a fraud. Really, you could not do any better than what you've been doing to prove what we English have had to say about your country all along. For that, I thank you.

Ivan

[RummyChick]

You didnt go far enough
It is on this page

http://www.parliament.uk/commons/lib/alms.htm

[Catspaw]

Both couples had a wonderful time. The people along the canal were great. The shops and the pubs were a pleasure to visit with no language problem.

About 8-9 years ago, my #3 sis spent a month in England and took a side trip to Paris. She couldn't get out of France fast enough--the people were hostile and arrogrant towards her and mocked her when she couldn't speak French good enough for them. Instead of a week, she spend three miserable days. She'd never go back.

[MadIvan]

"Anything" that frontpage says does nothing to prove that there is still, right now, an antisemitic wave in France, sorry. It's just an enumeration of skeletons in the closets. Anyone can do that, for any country. It's an anti-french paper by an ultra-conservative magazine. Nothing new under the sun.

In short, you neither have the resources, nor the ability to refute anything FrontPage has to say. Rather, you'll "play the man instead of the ball" - i.e., attack the publication, rather than what it has to say.

That tactic may work in French academic debates, but not here.

Ivan

[Catspaw]

It's an anti-french paper by an ultra-conservative magazine. Nothing new under the sun.

You do understand that this is a conservative forum, don't you? This isn't DU, a place that better fits you, or even better, "Socialists R Us."

[MizSterious]

This is a long thread, and no doubt others have already highlighted this quote from yesterday, but I thought it might bear repeating:

Mr. President, it may take time to fabricate further falsehoods, but the truth takes only seconds to tell.

When Mr. Straw said that, it was electrifying. So simple, so obvious. First I got goosebumps, then I cheered. This should be our rallying cry: The truth takes only seconds to tell.

[Trust but Verify]

It's a lovely lifestyle.

Idyllic.

You had to mention lobster pounds, didn't you?!

[Liberty Valance]

Union Jack Bump!

Liberty