[Hermann the Cherusker]

Its not a violation of our principles to act this way towards illegal combatants. Illegal combatants are not under the Geneva Convention. They are liable to summary execution, torture, indefinite detention in concentration camps, etc. THAY HAVE NO RIGHTS, HAVING FORFEITED THEM BY THEIR ACTS.

[Romulus]

You make no distinction between legalisms and American principles. I think most observers agree that the legal rights of the detainees are murky. This has nothing to do with American principles, however -- unless your view of American principles is that of exploiting loopholes because the end justifies any means.

[Truthsearcher]

Again, our reason for being against torture should be based on some Geneva Convention, but that it violates our fundamental principle.