[Lumberjack]

How do I know? you ask...I am not there, nor am I tasked to know, however, I do have enough trust in the men and women in harms way that have that information to act on it accordingly.

So let me sum up so far.
1. You cheer torture or death of people whom you don't know and know nothing about.
2. You admit that you don't know who they are or what they did.
3. You call them "subhuman".
4. You trust the government at its word, unequivocally.
Ok, let's proceed.

as a means of avoiding the fact that you obviously place innocent life, on the same plane as that of a terrorist....unless i misunderstand your point?

And I ask again, what do you know about these people? Can you prove any of the claims you're making against them? Prove to me they were a member of *anything* besides the local Parent Teacher Association. Go ahead, I'll wait.

By allowing terrorists to remain silent, or delaying the transmittal of information does not unnecessarily place inoocents at risk ?

What organization did either of these men belong to, exactly? Prove it. That's what it boils down to. You don't know. You admit as much. For all you know, they could have entered a college library and sat down at a terminal already logged in by the real terrorist and been picked up as they left, clueless as to why they were being taken away. You have no way of knowing one way or the other. Yet you cheer their deaths and glorify in the fact it may have been torture that caused it.

because your sense of Moral Superiority says so.

Yes, that "God" Fellow is such a demanding Entity, isn't He? Sorry that objection to torturing human beings you've never met nor know anything about offends you. Make up all the faux scenarios you want till the cows come home, but in the end, YOU ARE JUST BLOWING HOT AIR INTO THE ETHER. You don't know. And still you cheer.
How "Christian".

[hobbes1]

4. You trust the government at its word, unequivocally.

I see.

OK When you and Harry Browne get off the bong, maybe you will see to reason.

What organization did either of these men belong to, exactly? Prove it. That's what it boils down to. You don't know. You admit as much. For all you know, they could have entered a college library and sat down at a terminal already logged in by the real terrorist and been picked up as they left, clueless as to why they were being taken away.

See, I knew it. Bong Smoke.

One of two possible scenarios for these guys.
A; Captured in the Hills of Afghanistan, lotsa college libraries there....

Or, B: in a raid on an Al Quieda Cell....

I cheer no deaths, point to where i said I was GLAD they were dead.

However, the use of torture on Illegal Combatants is Morally Justifiable.Period.

As in Trusting the Government, I was a Marine, and yes, Believe the men and women risking their lives act with honor, hardly the same as a bureaucrat.