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To: Lumberjack
4. You trust the government at its word, unequivocally.

I see.

OK When you and Harry Browne get off the bong, maybe you will see to reason.

What organization did either of these men belong to, exactly? Prove it. That's what it boils down to. You don't know. You admit as much. For all you know, they could have entered a college library and sat down at a terminal already logged in by the real terrorist and been picked up as they left, clueless as to why they were being taken away.

See, I knew it. Bong Smoke.

One of two possible scenarios for these guys.
A; Captured in the Hills of Afghanistan, lotsa college libraries there....

Or, B: in a raid on an Al Quieda Cell....

I cheer no deaths, point to where i said I was GLAD they were dead.

However, the use of torture on Illegal Combatants is Morally Justifiable.Period.

As in Trusting the Government, I was a Marine, and yes, Believe the men and women risking their lives act with honor, hardly the same as a bureaucrat.

148 posted on 03/07/2003 12:40:22 PM PST by hobbes1 (White Devils For Sharpton)
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To: hobbes1
OK When you and Harry Browne get off the bong, maybe you will see to reason.
It was cute, it was funny, it wasn't an answer. I give it a 2.5 out of 10 Rodger. Before I continue, I wish to inquire whether you intend to actually address any of my questions and assertions, or shall it be simply a name calling fest from this point on? Just for reference sake, you understand.
However, the use of torture on Illegal Combatants is Morally Justifiable.Period.
Oh yes, I see. Well since you put the "Period" there, it must be true. Gosh, and all this time I've been following the Word when I could have just made outrageous immoral claims and justified them with "Period". Thanks for showing me the True Path pilgrim.
One of two possible scenarios for these guys. A; Captured in the Hills of Afghanistan, lotsa college libraries there.... Or, B: in a raid on an Al Quieda Cell....
Ok, prove it. You made these claims, one of two situations. Now prove to me that this would be the only place they could get these people. Use pretty pictures if you like.
As in Trusting the Government, I was a Marine, and yes, Believe the men and women risking their lives act with honor, hardly the same as a bureaucrat.
I too was in the military, so you don't get to pull that kind of stunt in this argument. Sorry. But nice try. Unless, you know, you're suggesting that we live in a military junta? These guys do report to and follow the orders of somebody, don't they? Has something fundamental changed in the nature of government recently that nobody has informed us silly civilians about? ;) I guess that's about it. You can't prove who they were, why there were there, what they did, even if they were guilty of anything. But you feel torture against them was "moral" (assuming that was the cause of death of course). Hey, whatever floats your boat. I'm just glad I won't have to stand in your shoes come Judgement Day.
151 posted on 03/07/2003 12:49:48 PM PST by Lumberjack
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