[Joe Hadenuf]

No Tom, Iraq is not a sophisticated society in compared to the west. With out oil, they are nine cents short of a dime. They are already a backwards, backwater, and clearly a sub-western standard of living...With respect to the innocent Iraqi on the street. My point is that I fully support our troops and our President, however, I am very tired of the talk.

It has grown very tiresome and I find dealing with the UN embarrassing and offensive.

We need to state our business, clearly make our point, and shut up. Go in and do it, end the politics......All this talk, betting, speculation, BS etc is getting old and can only help the enemy...........

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

We need to state our business, clearly make our point, and shut up. Go in and do it, end the politics......All this talk, betting, speculation, BS etc is getting old and can only help the enemy...........

I often feel the same way. But I have come to realize that, given geo-political inter-relationship norms, a certain dance has to be performed. This is because agreement as to moral principles is not as yet harmonized. Probably need another 200-300 years for that. But for now, stong leaders like GWB should and will prevail.