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To: yonif; AppyPappy; Robert_Paulson2; Cicero; tophat9000; dennisw; Alouette; Samurai_Jack; ...
THANKS to all who have responded to my need!

I'll try to answer as many of the items mentioned all at once in case any of you have any further thoughts which are triggered from other peoples' suggestions. I started out answering questions generally, then started attaching people's name to their questions or comments. I am NOT going to be able to proof-read all of the following because I am about to fall asleep, so there could be some errors/typos.

My sister and I bought identical Sony GR 370 computers on 02/12/2002 so it is slightly over 1 year old---i.e. just OUT of Sony's Warranty. BTW, I tricked the computer's notorious 1-year-Warranty-Expiration-Timer, though, and bought a 3 year CompUSA Extended Warranty (i.e. I have 2 more years left).

The GOOD NEWS is that the CompUSA Extended Warranty is supposedly good. They will supposedly (unofficially) replace a laptop even if the screen is cracked by accidentally leaving a pencil on the keyboard before closing the lid (that's not actually a defect, but the salesperson CLAIMED they would do it although I'm not too keen at taking a chance to find out). (Just curious---Have any of you ever cracked a screen and had them replace the laptop computer for you through an Extended Warranty?)

The BAD NEWS is that Extended Warranties don't cover software problems (which is not unusual with Warranties).

I have been told by CompUSA that it could be software or hardware. The initial thought was that it was a hard drive crash (which WOULD be covered, but might tend to prevent data recovery).

There is a CD drive, but no diskette drive. There is not anything in the CD drive. The computer is/was plugged into AC current.

I have a separate CD burner, but had only used it briefly in January or February, 2002 (my first and only backup---one of the last things I did with this computer before I bought the Sony GR 370 laptop which has a DVD/CD-R drive). I was not very experienced in burning CDs and never did figure out how to access the CD-R burning capability on the Sony.

I had just gotten McAfee Virus Scan last week (at the same time I bought McAfee Spam Killer), but had not installed it yet. Unfortunately, I started attacking the most immediately annoying problem first---SPAM!

The Sony came with some sort of Virus detection software, but I don't remember what the name if it is. I will check to see if it has an Emergency Disk with it, but I am very concerned about trying to fix the problem myself because I am NOT a PC person---I'm really a MAC person, but can't get the stock market software I need for a MAC. I understand that I DO NOT want to have a disk reinstall XP or I WILL lose the data.

I am NOT at all qualfied to remove the hard drive. I have heard from CompUSA that it MUST be removed (hence $139 and not covered by Warranty unless the hard drive IS bad) and I have also been told they can just transfer the data out (by connecting it to another and having it be a secondary drive) if data are there at all (hence the $30 charge at the other CompUSA). Since I have gotten two VERY DIFFERENT thoughts on it at CompUSA, I want to find the BEST QUALIFIED person to work on it.

If the hard drive itself is the problem, CompUSA SHOULD replace it under Warranty, in which case they would have to pull it out anyway.

I have been told that XP is MUCH DIFFERENT from earlier versions of Windows in that you supposedly CANNOT BOOT UP from it without it OVERWRITING the System and ruining the directory which would prevent the data from being recovered. I have no idea if that is correct---just what I THINK that they said.

Right now, the only thing I get is a BLACK SCREEN with the "OPERATING SYSTEM NOT FOUND" wording coming up, so I don't even get to a point where I could look for files. It does ask me for my password first, then goes immediately into the above black screen and wording. I MAY be able to make a "Start Up Floppy" from my sisters computer.

I don't know what Alouette means by "After it goes through POST, press the F2 key to get to setup. In setup, autosearch all physical drives. If it finds your primary drive, press F10 to save and exit. Then boot up as you normally would." I never get to anything that says "POST," much less the rest of it.

I have been told by the $139 CompUSA store people that the Sony hard drive is VERY HARD to remove. It is certainly NOT up MY alley.

SAMURAI_JACK WROTE: "Once they have successfully attached your data up as the secondary disk then its a matter of xcopy d:\mydocuments c:\recovereddata /s /e ." Hopefully I can find someone who knows that and who can FIND something to recover. Thanks for the "magic words."

SAMURAI_JACK ADDED: "It's always polite to keep all of your data located in the My Documents folder. That way the technician can back up the Documents and Settings folder without having to search all over the place for your data files." A trick I virtually ALWAYS do is to add a ` mark at the beginning of all my file names, so I can do a search for all files that begin with the ` mark.

MIKEWUSAF WROTE: "CompUSA sucks! Be careful!" That's what I'm afraid of! MIKEWUSAF ADDED: "If you can create a boot disk you might be able to boot off a floppy and point to where XP is on your drive which get you back up...Or try a Windows XP CDROM with the recovery option. I doubt that your data is lost. Most likely you just have a problem with your system files or master boot record MBR."

I have NO clue how to find or alter the MBR.

MIKEWUSAF ADDED: "Check this out: http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm. You may need to edit the boot.ini on your floppy to tell XP where to find it on your drive." Thanks!

JS1138 WROTE: "I've seen this a number of times, most recently as a result of bad spots on the drive. If the drive is physically ok, you can reinstall XP from scratch without reformatting the drive. This will leave the data intact, although all programs will have to be reinstalled." I'm SURE they will try to say it is SOFTWARE related so they don't have to come through on their Warranty. They have all been really sheepish about XP, though. Apparently, it is a PAIN to work with technically.

VISUALOPS WROTE: "A virus can alter the drive to make it appear unformatted. It's also possible there's corruption which is preventing booting." It might NOT be a virus. Someone MAY have just seen the NUMBER of the connection I was using (e.g. 201.168.09.123 or whatever) and accessed my hard drive directly and wiped it.

GONE_POSTAL WROTE: "If either the floppy or CD drive are listed before the main HD then switch the order so the main HD is the primary Boot drive...It may be that simple or a file could be corrupted in the OS." It has a DVD/CD-R.

I DID get FREQUENT FREEZE UPS near the end, forcing me to have to do a HARD shutdown and restart. I remember a Driver needed to be fixed/replaced, but it seemed like it was a printer driver---it may have been more urgent than I thought.

MONKEYSHINE WROTE: "XP has a way to roll back changes." I think you have to push F8 right after pushing the "ON" button, but it didn't help.

SWEET_SUNFLOWER29 SUGGESTED: "Have you tried any of the WinXP repair features?...*Last Known Good Configuration... *Safe Mode and System Restore...*Recovery Console." I have no idea how to do those things, but I would THINK even CompUSA would know how to do them.

REDWING9 WROTE: "First off, please be careful what action you take. Most of the replies here are pointing you in the wrong direction, BADLY. Some of the responses will screw you in the end." That's why I have WAITED to try to find someone who REALLY KNOWS computers and XP "OPERATING SYSTEM NOT FOUND" problems.

REDWING9 ADDED: "One or two posters have your first step, boot from the Windows XP CD-ROM and try the repair option, your MBR is definetly messed up. here, here, to start. You should look up the instructions, read them full and understand them before taking on this task. If you screw this up, your data is lost." I NEED THAT DATA!!! I think I should contact Microsoft tomorrow and see what THEY suggest.

REDWING9 ADDED: "And for G_d SAKES, DO NOT REINSTALL XP. First thing XP will do to a drive in your state is reformat the partition table... BAD... BAD... BAD." That's what I've heard and why I've WAITED to find a tech who KNOWS the problem.

REDWING9 ADDED: "SECONDLY, this is NO JOB for Best Buy or Circuit City, they are HACKS, generally." I would think CompUSA OUGHT to be better than Best Buy and Circuit working on computers, but is is definitely no guarantee.

RED-DAWG WROTE: "If you are "almost positive" that the window that popped up said something about a virus detection, then I would not let your hard drive get within a thousand miles of my repair shop." I'm NOT 100% certain what it said---I just barely got to read anything in the pop-up.

JORDAN8 WROTE: "Almost certainly this is a boot sector problem. Somehow removing certain registry values will cause this error. Virus protection programs cause a lot of problems in this regard." I had not added Virus protection yet (i.e. there was nothing yet beyond what the computer came with).

JORDAN8 ADDED: "You should be able to solve your problem simply by booting the XP CD. It should have a restore function. I've never done this with XP, but with the Win2000 CD..." CompUSA was VERY CAUTIOUS about the idea of booting with the XP disk because it apparently immediately tries to RESTORE itself and I think supposedly wipes over the data.

JORDAN8 ADDED: "In the future you should seriously consider partitioning your hard drive and storing all important data on a FAT32 partition, as well as regular backing up to a CD or external USB hard drive." I WOULD/COULD have been doing it, but I never could figure out how to access the DVD/CD-R drive on the computer and I couldn't get to my separate one.

REDWING9 WROTE: "Send it to me, I'm in my right mind and I could fix or recover the data with one hand tied behind my back. In other words, your assertion is ludicrous, this is an easy recovery option." It is encouraging that someone with your training and experience thinks the data are still there and recoverable.

VOTEHARRYBROWNE2000 WROTE: "If your system is hosed, I would definitely pay someone to recover the data and not try and do it yourself." I definitely do NOT feel comfortable trying to recover the data myself, but I'm not real comfortable with the fact I have gotten 3 DIFFERENT OPINIONS at CompUSA either.

RED-DAWG SUGGESTED: "Like I said, I would use a machine I don't care about to gain more knowledge about the hard drive in question." That is what I'm doing right now.

RED-DAWG ADDED: ""OPERATING SYSTEM NOT FOUND" --- means a valid partition table on the hard drive was found but no OS..."BOOT DISK FAILURE" or "NON SYSTEM DISK" errors mean that no partition or OS was found on the drive." Do any of tthe errors you have mentioned tend to indicate the data are more or less likely to be recoverable?

DAVE IN EUGENE WROTE: "I'll toss out a theory that your new software put a hook into your Master Boot Record for the purpose of detecting malicious changes, but maybe wasn't entirely compatible with your drive type and trashed it instead. Regardless of the virus type, a good anti-vurus program should have trapped low level disk writes, so I doubt your problem is from a real virus..."As I said earlier, it MAY NOT be a virus. It MAY be possible for someone to have gotten the dial-up number location I was on and hacked ito my computer and wiped it..

DAVE IN EUGENE ADDED: "Personally, I'd scare up a boot floppy (make sure the write protect tab is enabled - not covering the slot) and start going through the nondestructive diagnostic tools that should be contained therein." It's getting late and I don't remember if it was mentioned above about HOW TO MAKE A BOOT UP DISK.

DAVE IN EUGENE ADDED: "If the command line interface (formerly known as DOS) will list a C: drive directory then you might just have missing system files. SYS C: should fix that...If DOS won't list a directory on the drive then FDISK /MBR will rewrite a standard master boot record without disturbing anything else." That is all GOOD TO KNOW. THANKS!

DAVE IN EUGENE ADDED: "You should run Scandisk with the report only (don't fix) option first...Scandisk might also report mismatched File allocation tables. It's usually (but not guaranteed) safe to let scandisk fix that problem." Thanks again!

LX WROTE: "2) You could try recovery console by booting with the XP cd and selecting repair but if you hadn't already set the security profile to read and write from removable media before the crash, all it will do is allow you to look at the hard drive and delete or move files but you could at least see if your HD has a file system in place. Be very careful if you do this." Thanks! I am leary about doing stuff like this myself.

LX ADDED: "3) If you have another system or have a friend with the same version of XP, you can make a boot disk. a) Format floppy on working machine. b) Copy, ntdetect.com, boot.ini, ntldr from the working machine's c drive to the root of the floppy." I have my sister's Sony GR 370 available. Thanks for the boot disk instructions.

LX ADDED: "Hopefully, the boot.ini you've copied will have the correct ARC path to the O/S, if not you can go to MS and find out what all of the options mean. If both machines have only one drive, you should have the same ARC settings. Now try to boot to the disk. If everything is correct, it'll load the O/S on your laptop. If not, it won't do any damage." That is REAL GOOD to know!

LX ADDED: "If it loads, copy ALL of the files you need to a safe place...Then run NTbackup to get a good copy of the registry in the repair folder. Before you do this, copy the current contents of the repair folder somewhere else. It's in c:\winnt\repair."

LX ADDED: "Then boot from the XP CDROM and select the option to let it repair your system...NOTE: If you've installed say a high performance IDE driver, you might be SOL...If the CD does repair your system, re apply all service packs." What is a high performance IDE driver? I have heard of IDE, but I don't know what it is or if I have one.

WARHAWK42 WROTE: "I hooked the spare hard drive up as the C:/ and from there was able to access the damaged drive and retrieve the data on it. In fact in my case I copied the Windows system files from the spare drive to the damaged drive and it worked again, but in your case I would simply copy any information from it you want and then reformat your drive." I have my sister's available, but I doubt she would want to take ANY CHANCE my computer's sickness could infect hers.

APPLEMAC_G4 WROTE: "And when you finally have your machine back in working order, make sure the very first thing you do is get a copy of Norton's Antivirus on there and run liveupdate once a week." Unfortunately, I HAD a copy of Norton's Antivirus, but since it had SOME kind of virus software already, I never felt an urgent need to get it on the computer too. I assume there is a charge for weekly updates?

DAVE IN EUGENE WROTE: "...a drive would have to be in pretty bad shape for me to be unable to recover the data." I HOPE mine really isn't too bad.

38 posted on 03/04/2003 12:53:38 AM PST by Concerned
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To: Concerned
There is another option to trying to recover your data without removing the hard drive from your computer, although you will need either a bootable CD or floppy drive.

Symantec has a product known as Ghost. This software allows you to backup an entire disk partition to an image file for you to restore at a later date. Corporations buy licenses of ghost to allow them to "clone" hundreds of computers at a time, with all being configured identically.

However, there is another use for ghost. On systems that can not be repaired, without reinstalling the operating system, but where the disk partition is not damaged, you can use ghost to create an image to a network server, and then use another program called "Ghost Explorer" to extract any files you want recovered. Then, after wiping the disk drive, and reinstalling your applications, you can copy the files you recovered back over to your computer.

I've used this on more than one occasion where other methods wouldn't work.

Mark
44 posted on 03/04/2003 2:50:11 AM PST by MarkL
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To: Concerned
Nothing personal but the recurring theme in your post is "I don't know how". Take it to someone who does. Don't try and mess with it yourself. I do this stuff for a living. If you know a guru, that's even better than CompUSA.
46 posted on 03/04/2003 4:37:29 AM PST by AppyPappy (Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris.)
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To: Concerned
I don't know what Alouette means by "After it goes through POST, press the F2 key to get to setup.

POST = Power-On Self-Test :
It's different for every model, but they all go thru a series of tests on power-on. Testing how much memory, testing ports, testing this, testing that. Usually you get a couple of seconds to hit a special key (F2 is common, but not universal) to get you into SETUP mode, which is where you configure what type of disk drive is there, what type of CD-ROM, etc, etc.

Consider using VirtualPC on your Mac.

47 posted on 03/04/2003 4:51:25 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Concerned
When you buy Norton Antivirus, it comes with a year's worth of free downloadable updates, then you have to buy a subscription. I wouldn't mess with trying to remove the hard disk from the laptop. If it's starting and getting to the point you've mentioned, and isn't making any funny grinding noises I'd almost guarantee that this is strictly a software problem.

Try booting the laptop from a startup disk and copying whatever critical datafiles you've got on there to the floppy.

After that, there's probably a reformat and reinstall of your software in your near future.
48 posted on 03/04/2003 5:50:19 AM PST by applemac_g4
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To: Concerned
I don't know what Alouette means by "After it goes through POST, press the F2 key to get to setup.

"Operating System not found" is a BIOS error. What it means is that the system cannot locate the primary drive.

POST is Power On Self Test. This is the memory and BIOS check that the computer goes through when it is first turned on. Newer computers do not show a POST screen, while the self test executes the company logo (Dell, Gateway, whatever) is displayed. Pressing the F2 key at this point will take you to the BIOS setup.

In setup, press F9 to restore BIOS defaults, F10 to save and exit. This will restore the location of the primary drive to the BIOS. (There should be a menu on the BIOS setup screen that tells you what function keys to use for Sony, F9 and F10 are standard on most systems)

49 posted on 03/04/2003 6:21:56 AM PST by Alouette
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To: Concerned
I DID get FREQUENT FREEZE UPS near the end...

Frequent freeze ups are consistent with disk drive problems. What could be happening is the dirve is doing multiple retries, which puts performance in the tank. Eventually a bad spot occurs in a key Windows file and it won't boot.

I will be candid in saying I don't know the best way to deal with this, but the safest way is to pay someone to copy the data files to another drive, then reinstall windows.

SORRY FOR THE CAPS, BUT IT MAY BE POSSIBLE TO BOOT THE MACHINE FROM AN EXTERNAL USB DRIVE AND COPY THE FILES THAT WAY.

51 posted on 03/04/2003 7:42:52 AM PST by js1138
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To: Concerned
POST is the Power On Self Test. Most people will recognise it as the white text on black screen that runs thru before windows starts.
Many factory machines (i.e. Compaq etc) hide this activity behind a logo.
The purpose of accessing the BIOS is to have it autofind the drive. Sometimes that is all that's needed after a crash.
When the machine looks for a boot sector and doesn't find one(or one it recognises) you'll get the operating system not found error. The boot sector contains the MBR (master boot record).
54 posted on 03/04/2003 9:39:11 AM PST by visualops (Mincing words just makes bits that stick in your teeth.)
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To: Concerned
I think I should contact Microsoft tomorrow and see what THEY suggest.

That's an expensive venture. Did you try the recover option? Did you read the links I provided you? Did you understand them? If you don't understand them, print them and take them to someone who will.

57 posted on 03/04/2003 10:02:12 AM PST by RedWing9 (We will vie for Lord Stanley... again!)
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To: Concerned
I think I should contact Microsoft tomorrow and see what THEY suggest.

Bwwwaahahahaha! *snort!* You don't want to do that. They are useless and expensive. It would be better to google.

58 posted on 03/04/2003 10:19:14 AM PST by Snowy (Dry Clean Only)
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To: Concerned
In checking over your post, I see you mention you have no floppy drive. In that case all suggestions re: boot disk are no help.
Secondly, I see at Sony specs for the machine that the hard drive has 2 partitions, divided roughly 40/60. 20/20 hindsight but you should always store data off the C: drive.
With no floppy drive, if auto-detecting the drive in the bios fails, then your best bet is pulling the drive out.
Do you know if you have fat32 or NTFS as the file system?
59 posted on 03/05/2003 3:34:03 AM PST by visualops (Mincing words just makes bits that stick in your teeth.)
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To: Concerned
I DID get FREQUENT FREEZE UPS near the end, forcing me to have to do a HARD shutdown and restart. I remember a Driver needed to be fixed/replaced, but it seemed like it was a printer driver---it may have been more urgent than I thought.

This sounds suspiciously like the drive may have gone bad. NOT a virus problem. Happened to me once. Luckily I had saved the data somewhere else when I knew they was a problem and before it went kaput.

65 posted on 03/17/2005 8:21:57 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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