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Pope John Paul II may ask to personally address UN Security Council to stop Iraq war
AFP via Babelfish translation ^ | March 3, 2003

Posted on 03/03/2003 2:46:58 AM PST by HAL9000

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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
"...Maybe while he's there he can tell the UN what he's going to do about the sexual crimes committed by "priests" in his "Church" during his tenure...."

I never said that. I just said that the Church is not a worldly instrument, and is not able to provide worldly solutions to problems.

In fact, in my original statement, I didn't mention the Pope at all.

Go ahead and attack the President with your Heavenly mole sarcasm. It'll make you popular, but not necessarily right.

201 posted on 03/03/2003 7:41:08 PM PST by patriciaruth
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To: Notwithstanding
Focua all you want on the supernatural. I'm going to back President Bush in taking the military to Iraq to root out this evil man Saddam, and my prayers are for them to be successful.
202 posted on 03/03/2003 7:44:40 PM PST by patriciaruth
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Surely you saw this coming. There are folks on this forum who would slander anyone against their idea of what's right, no matter that other person's past record. Some people are unable to understand this idea that good people can disagree on policy issues and still both be honorable.
203 posted on 03/03/2003 8:03:27 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: NittanyLion
( a point mentioned within the Catechism itself)
204 posted on 03/03/2003 8:04:55 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
The Pope has interjected himself into a debate in Caesar's sphere. He must expect to be criticized.
205 posted on 03/03/2003 8:05:39 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: laureldrive
Was Reagan a "surrender monkey appeaser" because he didn't invade the Soviet Union?

Reagand did invade Grenada. Reagan didn't want to set off a world war by invading Russia.

The time to drive Hussein from office is now, before he gets nuclear weapons.

The pope may see more clearly than folks here that disarming Iraq through military pressure should be tried before invading a country that hasn't attacked us.

Hussein will never fully disarm. He must be driven from power. The Pope is giving Bush cover to do what he has to do.

The last thing the Pope wants is to back the West, thus giving credence to binLaden's "crusade" of Islam against Christianity.

The Pope doesn't want war, but he knows full well that he is powerless to stop it.

206 posted on 03/03/2003 8:18:40 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
There is no possible comparison between a pipsqueak like Saddam, and the might of the Soviet Bloc,

Thanks to Gulf War I and President George H.W. Bush, forty-first President of the United States.

All of which goes to prove the wisdom of nipping a would-be Nebuchadnezzar in the bud.

207 posted on 03/03/2003 8:32:27 PM PST by patriciaruth
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Had to go back 300+ years for some Catholic-bashing quotes, did you? It is not Catholic bashing. It is legitimate criticism of ecclesiastical power. There are Catholics who bash Catholicism by virtue (or lack of it) they don't adhere to the teaching of the Gospels. I have Catholic friends who bitterly resent the Papacy for this action.

As far as I am concerned, the Catholic Church was once a great institution when the Bishops and Cardinals actually rode into battle to wage war as soldiers for Christ and beat back Moslem invaders. The Pope is joining the 'axis of evil'???

208 posted on 03/03/2003 9:24:14 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
..it is not Catholic bashing. It is legitimate criticism of ecclesiastical power...

A quote from the time of Charles II is not 'Catholic bashing'? An era in English history when the Mayor of London put up a plaque blaming the Great Fire on 'Papists'?

You're either ignorant of English history, or deliberately trying to mislead.

209 posted on 03/03/2003 9:48:46 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: patriciaruth
..all of which goes to prove the wisdom of nipping a would-be Nebuchadnezzar in the bud...

Saddam is no Nebuchadnezzar, my dear. He's Noriega, with oil fields.

PS: quality poem, on your FR page.

210 posted on 03/03/2003 9:51:21 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Kevin Curry
..the Pope has interjected himself into a debate in Caesar's sphere. He must expect to be criticized...

Fine.

But not in this way.

211 posted on 03/03/2003 9:52:28 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Beck_isright
..let me get this straight, you think JPII was more important than Ronald Reagan?...

And where did I say that, newbie?

Instead of manufacturing something you feel comfortable countering, how about addressing the actual issues in my posts?

212 posted on 03/03/2003 10:02:11 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: laureldrive
..why were priests and nuns thrown in concentration camps, if the church was friendly to Hitler? Why did Golda Meir thank the church? Why did the chief rabbi of Rome convert to Roman Catholicism in thanks?...

Go get 'em, Laurel! But I'll bet deathly silence is your only answer to those questions.

213 posted on 03/03/2003 10:04:53 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: NittanyLion
..there are folks on this forum who would slander anyone against their idea of what's right, no matter that other person's past record...

Yes, there are. But there is something going on at a deeper level, too. It is almost as though (for a certain type of insecure, zero-accomplishment personality) slandering their betters closes the accomplishment gap. I don't know whether that emotion has a name but for sure it's associated with the very worst in human nature. I think we need to robustly oppose it especially when it is directed at someone whose whole life has been devoted to the service of others, like the man in question. One thing that's REALLY annoying, is that (in the shambles I laughably call bookshelves) I can't find my copy of D'Souza's Reagan. Almost sure the Gipper had some admiring, comrade-in-arms compliments for Pope John Paul. Regards, By.

214 posted on 03/03/2003 10:13:04 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
The would-be Nebuchadnezzar wanted not just his oil fields but other oil fields and WMD. If he hadn't been stopped and if no one stops him now, he could realize his dream.

Saddam with Kuwait's oil fields and Saudi Arabia's oil fields and some nukes would not be Noriega.

215 posted on 03/03/2003 10:15:37 PM PST by patriciaruth
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To: Matchett-PI
I thought this argument was over when my relative married your relative in 1776. Thank God there's a forum now for a Calvinist to speak out. Need a job ? Your offspring are among my best employees outside of the Indians, of course.
Remove the Catholics & the world will be better place ? Don't think so !
216 posted on 03/03/2003 10:41:26 PM PST by Sawman from Phoenix
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To: patriotdreams
Especially since the separation of Church and state is about the state staying out of the Church, and not visa versa. At least that was the intent of the Framers. Having said that, I hope the Pope reconsiders, and stays out of the UN with these kinds of speeches.
217 posted on 03/03/2003 10:46:16 PM PST by ladyinred
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
President Bush : "If you're not with us, you are against us."

JPII has a long history of backstabbing American foreign policy in the Middle East, and Christianity generally.

218 posted on 03/04/2003 2:27:51 AM PST by Robert Drobot
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To: patriciaruth
..if he hadn't been stopped and if no one stops him now, he could realize his dream....

...and if my aunt wore army boots, she'd be my uncle.

He'll be stopped. His dream now is to get through the next two weeks, in one piece. I know it's a necessary part of psyops and the war build-up to demonise Saddam as a dangerous opponent, but surely us Freepers are too well-informed to be seduced by that spin. Unless he has the imagination, and civilian support, to fight a house-to-house war in the cities, this will be a very short campaign.

219 posted on 03/04/2003 2:36:35 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Robert Drobot
..JPII has a long history of backstabbing American foreign policy in the Middle East, and Christianity generally...

Pope John Paul II has done more for America (and the free West) than any non-American alive. Your ingratitude is a personality flaw, indicative of your cultural influences.

220 posted on 03/04/2003 2:45:55 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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