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U.S. To Challenge Pledge Ruling - Dispute Over Words 'Under God' Headed To Supreme Court
MSNBC News Service ^ | MSNBC

Posted on 02/28/2003 6:49:19 PM PST by webber

U.S. To Challenge Pledge Ruling - Dispute Over Words 'Under God' Headed To Supreme Court

MSNBC NEWS SERVICES

WASHINGTON, Feb. 28 — Attorney General John Ashcroft on Friday announced that the Justice Department will appeal a lower court's ruling that the Pledge of Allegiance is unconstitutional because of the phrase "under God." The announcement came shortly after the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco declined to reconsider the ruling.

"THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT will spare no effort to preserve the rights of all our citizens to pledge allegiance to the American flag," Ashcroft said in a statement issued in Washington. "We will defend the ability of Americans to declare their patriotism through the time-honored tradition of voluntarily reciting the pledge."

Ashcroft argued in the statement that for centuries the United States "has referenced God as we have expressed our patriotism and national identity in our Declaration of Independence, Constitution, national anthem, on our coins and in the Gettysburg Address."

In fact, "The Supreme Court of the United States opens each session by saying, 'God save this honorable Court,'" he wrote.

    Ashcroft's statement was released within hours of the announcement by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that it had rejected the Bush administration's request for a rehearing, which meant the controversial June 2002 ruling by a three-judge panel stands. The court also said it would not accept any other petitions to reconsider.

COURT SAYS IT MUST IGNORE 'OUTCRY'

The court also said it would be "wrongheaded" to allow public outcry to influence court decisions.

"We may not — we must not — allow public sentiment or outcry to guide our decisions," Judge Stephen Reinhardt wrote in the 46-page opinion.

"It is particularly important that we understand the nature of our obligations and the strength of our constitutional principles in times of national crisis," Reinhardt wrote. "It is then that our freedoms and our liberties are in the greatest peril."

Ruling on a lawsuit brought by Sacramento atheist Michael Newdow, a three-judge panel ruled 2-1 last year that Newdow's daughter should not be subjected to the term "under God" being recited during the saying of the pledge in public classrooms.

The court said that phrase in the pledge was an endorsement of God. The U.S. Constitution, the court said, forbade public schools or other governmental entities from endorsing religion.

Congress and President Bush immediately condemned the decision, which would prevent public schoolchildren from reciting the pledge in the nine Western states covered by the nation's largest appeals court. Critics have long assailed the court for what they say is a liberal bent out of step with the rest of the country.

DECISION STAYED - PENDING RESOLUTION

Public outcry over the decision prompted its chief author, Judge Alfred Goodwin, to call for a review by the full appeals court. He also stayed the ruling from going into effect until the case was resolved.

Newdow's lawsuit began as a challenge to a 1954 decision by Congress to add the words "under God" to the pledge. The lawsuit later sidestepped into a parental rights case over a custody dispute between Newdow and his 8-year-old child's mother, Sandra Banning of Elk Grove.

In response to the court's original ruling, Banning asserted that her daughter is not harmed by reciting the pledge and is not opposed to God. Banning, who now has legal custody of the child, urged the court to consider whether Newdow even had legal standing to bring the case on behalf of his daughter. The court said Newdow did have such legal standing.

The case is Newdow v. Congress.


NBC News correspondent Pete Williams and The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.


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To: SierraWasp
There are 23 judges eligible to vote. 10 of them noted that they would have heard the case en banc, and those names are available. Presumably the other 13 were opposed, though in principle there could have been one more who voted yes, but did not join the dissents.
21 posted on 02/28/2003 7:21:19 PM PST by BohDaThone
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To: jwalsh07
has the dubious distinction of being overturned by SCOTUS 5 times in one month last year.

LOL. And judges just HATE that! (well, apparently, these idiots don't care).

22 posted on 02/28/2003 7:22:02 PM PST by nicmarlo (** UNDER GOD **)
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To: jwalsh07
Screw the jerks! I will say the pledge WITH THE PHRASE "One nation under God" whenever I see my flag. I will lift my finger to anyone who derides me for it!
23 posted on 02/28/2003 7:23:48 PM PST by whipitgood ( love without anger isn't love at all)
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To: webber
Congress must move soon to break up the Ninth Jerkit Court of Schlemiels.
24 posted on 02/28/2003 7:24:16 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: Laverne
Milton L. Schwartz, Senior Judge, Presiding
Before: Alfred T. Goodwin, Stephen Reinhardt and Ferdinand F. Fernandez, Circuit Judges.
Opinion by Judge Goodwin;
Partial Concurrence and Partial Dissent by Judge Fernandez

(click on NEWDOW V U.S. CONGRESS )

25 posted on 02/28/2003 7:25:37 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: webber
"We may not — we must not — allow public sentiment or outcry to guide our decisions," Judge Stephen Reinhardt wrote in the 46-page opinion.

Then he should have no problem if the US Supreme Court outlaws abortion, bans quotas and reverses the Miranda ruling.

26 posted on 02/28/2003 7:26:10 PM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: eabinga
Don't just accuse people of editing without showing what part was edited. All I did was add emphasis. THE WORDS ARE ALL ORIGINAL!! So don't be like a liberal and just make accusations. Elaborate on what you accuse others of doing. OKAY?
27 posted on 02/28/2003 7:34:42 PM PST by webber (It is better to keep one's mouth closed & be thought a fool, than to open it & remove all doubt.)
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To: jwalsh07; Carry_Okie; Grampa Dave; Dog Gone
OooooooKaaaaaaa!!! Ya mean 15 appointees by clinton & carter, thuh two wurst presidunce in the histury uv Urth!!!

Yoo mean thuh two num-nuts who are back-stabbin their homeland and successur President in ways that evury eye kin see on Urth???

Make wun wish they wur under God's boot heel!!!

Powur tew thuh peephole!!!

(I lurnt ta spel wif thuh hep of Jimma's wundurful Departmunt uv Edjewkayshun)

28 posted on 02/28/2003 7:37:07 PM PST by SierraWasp (Like, hey man, SHIFT_HAPPENS!!!)
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To: webber
I am not accusing you of any wrongdoing. Compare what you posted to what your link points to. There is a difference. More than likely MSNBC is editing as we speak.


29 posted on 02/28/2003 7:48:55 PM PST by eabinga
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To: webber
9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco

Isn't that the "most overturned decisions" court in the US? Liberals with an agenda and to hell with the law.

30 posted on 02/28/2003 7:51:51 PM PST by zip (I love being right)
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To: webber

31 posted on 02/28/2003 7:58:20 PM PST by Diver Dave
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To: webber
["We may not — we must not — allow public sentiment or outcry to guide our decisions," Judge Stephen Reinhardt wrote...]

Vision of the annointed?

32 posted on 02/28/2003 7:58:28 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: jwalsh07
The ruling is that the words "under God" may not be used in the Pledge, not that nobody can pledge allegiance to their country.

Now if the Oakland schools see fit not to have the pledge given, that's something that should be taken up with the school board.

I was in school in the fifties when the pledge was changed. Not using the words "under God" one year and using them the next made me feel neither more American nor closer to God and the whole frickin' thing is a tempest in a teapot, sir.

33 posted on 02/28/2003 7:59:43 PM PST by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can)
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To: webber
what the hell is with the 9th circuit.....they should be disbarred because they are constantly overturned
34 posted on 02/28/2003 8:00:23 PM PST by The Wizard (Demonrats are enemies of America)
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To: Siobhan
The 9th Circuit bozos need to be removed immediately.

Assign them to active duty in Iraq! Put them in charge of the human shields.

35 posted on 02/28/2003 8:05:37 PM PST by dvan
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To: webber
The 9th Circus Court of Schlemiels should have their heads examined -- and those lumps on tehir necks too. They wouldn't know the Constitution if it introduced itself. And they clearly have no respect ofr it.

Congress should brek up the 9th into two or even three Circuits (allowing the President to fill the resulting new seats.)

It is time for the people of faith to fight back and stop the militant Atheists from ramming their religion down our throats.
36 posted on 02/28/2003 8:06:50 PM PST by TBP
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To: BohDaThone
Thank you for that information.
37 posted on 02/28/2003 8:22:12 PM PST by SierraWasp (Like, hey man, SHIFT_HAPPENS!!!)
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To: metesky
You're behind the curve.

Oakland has suspended the voluntary recitation of the pledge pending jusicial outcome. Coerced recitation has been illegal since 1943 in the West Va. v Barnett case.

In other words they have suspended political speech, the first amendment to the Constitution.

Trivial matter?

Balogna

You don't want to say the words "under God", then don't. But don't go telling me that the suspension of political speech in Oakland is much ado about nothing.

38 posted on 02/28/2003 8:26:23 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: webber
Okay, let me get this straight. Teachers in Maine are within their rights to torment students but "One Nation Under God" is unconstitutional.

First off it says God. GOD! Not Mohammed, Yawey, Jesus, Buddha, but God. If your God is money it is still a God and thus still covered under the pledge of allegience.

Secondly we live in a republic. It means that the elected officials determine the course of this nation. Nowhere in the US Constitution does it say that a lone nutcase can hold an entire nations pledge hostage to further his own ideals.

I can't help but feel sorry for the daughter.
39 posted on 02/28/2003 8:47:39 PM PST by Crusader_062002
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To: jwalsh07
Oakland has suspended the voluntary recitation of the pledge pending jusicial outcome.

Do you live in Oakland? If you do, start making a ruckus. If you have friends in Oakland ask them to start making a fuss.

Coerced recitation has been illegal since 1943 in the West Va. v Barnett case.

That's funny, in K-12 in Massachusetts no one ever told us the pledge was voluntary and that goes for the Lord's Prayer that we said every morning too.

The whole matter of "pledging allegiance" to one's country every morning is so trivial as to be meaningless. Do you think that kids will suddenly become Jihadis by not reciting the pledge every morning?

Will saying the pledge stop the commie indoctrination in the schools?

I believe the Ninth Circuit is dead wrong, but the world will go on spinning with or without any damn pledge.

As you go through life remember,
Whatever be your goal,
Keep you eye upon the donut,
And not upon the hole.

40 posted on 02/28/2003 8:55:31 PM PST by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can)
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