Light From the First Days of Creation

Institute for Creation Research ^ | February 2003 | Russell Humphreys, Ph.D.

[CalConservative]

LIGHT FROM THE FIRST DAYS OF CREATION
by Russell Humphreys, Ph.D. Physics

© Copyright 2003 Institute for Creation Research. All Rights Reserved.

On February 11, NASA released the first results from its Microwave Anisotropy Probe (MAP), a satellite measuring microwaves from the cosmos from its vantage point a million miles from earth. Over ten years ago, another satellite called the Cosmic Background Explorer (COBE) did the same thing (see my November 1982 ICR Impact article,;Bumps in the Big Bang"), but with much less precision than MAP.

@ Copyright 2003 NASA

The new microwave sky map is an oval completely filled with tens of thousands of blue, green, yellow, and red dots, each one less than one degree in diameter. Blue dots represent slightly cooler spots in the source of the microwaves, green and yellow about average, and red slightly warmer spots. If the universe has expanded, as suggested by both scientific data and verses in the Bible (Starlight and Time, pp. 66-67), then the wavelength of the microwaves would have been much shorter at the source. That is, the microwaves are simply red-shifted infrared radiation or visible light that permeated the cosmos when it was much smaller.

Uniformitarian space scientists, who assume (as 2 Peter 3:5-7 predicted) that God did not intervene in the cosmos to get the light here in a hurry (as measured by earth’s clocks), also assume the new data can fit into only one theory, the Big Bang. By twiddling “knobs” on the theory (adjustable numbers such as the rate and amount of expansion, the curvature of space, the amount and type of matter in the cosmos, etc.), they can produce a reasonable fit to the data. That is not too surprising, because there are about as many “knobs” as there are independent classes of data to explain. From the settings of the knobs that give the best fit, they then announce such results as the age of the cosmos (now “13.7 billion years”) and the time they estimate for the spots to coalesce into stars and galaxies (now “200 million years”) after the moment the radiation started its trip toward us.

But more than one theory can explain the data. My cosmology, for example (others are being developed), suggests that the radiation started out either as infrared waves from the original matter of the cosmos (water) or from the first light God created in Genesis 1:5. (See Starlight and Time, pp. 77, 120-122) Either way, the radiation would have started its trip to us during the first few days of Creation, about 6,000 years ago as measured by clocks on earth. During the fourth day of creation, my theory suggests, God expanded the cosmos greatly, stretching the waves out to much greater lengths. We can view these new data as helping us to understand Genesis chapter one more fully, giving us glimpses of Creation itself!

[CalConservative]

The creation science view of the MAP probe data.

[CalConservative]

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[Aracelis]

Same stuff, different thread ping

[day10]

This is very intresting. I read a book recently that stated how particle physicists believe more and more that time is a physical dimension rather than a line as we perceive it. It also stated that particle physicists believe there may be as many as 10 dimensions - and that this is supported by a study of Genesis in the original Hebrew language.

[f.Christian]

God can create a full grown tree instantaneously . . .

we shouldn't age // DATE the universe by our thinking // timeclock - - -

it (( universe // human life )) was CREATED probably just like the tree -- -- --

--- full grown --- blown (( bang )) ! !

[jlogajan]

the radiation would have started its trip to us during the first few days of Creation, about 6,000 years ago as measured by clocks on earth.

Kook.

[f.Christian]

There's human footprints in the geologic column --- how come ? ?

[John H K]

I'd like them to produce this "clock." Though I suspect they just mean the usual "adding-up-the-list-of-begats" in the bible.

Sorta suprised to see Young Earth Creationism blatantly stated again; I'd sort of gotten the impression that even the Creationidiots themselves realized how obviously moronic babbling about YEC was was and had turned to stealthier, vaguer "Intelligent Design" ramblings.

[gomaaa]

"This is very intresting. I read a book recently that stated how particle physicists believe more and more that time is a physical dimension rather than a line as we perceive it. It also stated that particle physicists believe there may be as many as 10 dimensions - and that this is supported by a study of Genesis in the original Hebrew language. "

This first part is entirely correct. Einstein's theory of special relativity treats time on exactly the same footing as space. we have a coordinate in time exactly as we do in the three-dimensional world. The catch is, that while we can move in any direction in space at will, our "velocity" in time seems fixed. This is true so long as your velocity is MUCH smaller than that of light, which is the case in everyday life. If you were to somehow speed up to the point where you could give a photon a run for its money, your motion along the "time direction" gets more complicated.

The second idea you mention is out of string theory or, as it's called these days, "M"-theory. (Don't ask me what the "M" stands for. Even the people who work on it don't know.) This is an entirely theoretical idea, which we have so far been unable to prove. (And are unlikely to be able to prove for some time.) We'll see if experiments agree or not. It's probably not TOO far off, though.

The bit about the Biblical support? I have never heard of that, and none of my particle physicist friends have either. Be very suspicsious of this book! I would actually be very curious to know the title and author so I could have a look myself.

[MineralMan]

"There's human footprints in the geologic column --- how come ? ?
"

Uh, Duh, f.Christian. There are footprints of _mine_ at the top of the geologic column...in my driveway. I put them there this morning.

Make sense, please.

[PatrickHenry]

Thanks for the ping, but I ain't gonna deploy my ping list for this thread. Now if I had an "abnormal psyshology" ping list ...

[RobRoy]

>>I'd sort of gotten the impression that even the Creationidiots themselves realized how obviously moronic babbling about YEC was was and had turned to stealthier, vaguer "Intelligent Design" ramblings. <<

I won't call it "obviously moronic babbling," but not being God, I certainly won't rule it out as a viable possibility.

Neither will any other intelligent human being with a sincerely open mind. Believe it or not, even the best of us still don't know it ALL...

[balrog666]

It makes you wonder how much of Genesis this guy could read into his bowel movements if that was his bent.

[Doctor Stochastic]

The Earliest Footprints on the Sands of Time

Of course this pattern was Created to appear exactly as if the Universe was 15,000,000,000 years old (give or take a bit.) As the amounts of Uranium and Lead (inter alia) were Created to give exactly the same results as other Radioactive Decay Series (worked that word in, moose and cheese later) do for the Age of the Earth.

[MineralMan]

"Of course this pattern was Created to appear exactly as if the Universe was 15,000,000,000 years old (give or take a bit.) As the amounts of Uranium and Lead (inter alia) were Created to give exactly the same results as other Radioactive Decay Series (worked that word in, moose and cheese later) do for the Age of the Earth.
"

Absolutely. Godditit just to fool us, as a test of faith. I have no doubt of that. And that pesky red shift stuff. Now that took a little time to figure out, I'd guess. All designed to test the faith of humans in the 20th and 21st century. Goddidit.

[Lurking Libertarian]

It also stated that particle physicists believe there may be as many as 10 dimensions - and that this is supported by a study of Genesis in the original Hebrew language.

Ten (actually, I think it's 11) dimensions is part of one theory held by some physicists, though I don't claim to understand it. But "supported by a study of Genesis in the original Hebrew language"? No way that I can see, and, as the product of a Jewish religious school, I have read Genesis in Hebrew quite a few times.

[Genesis defender]

[E]ven the Creationidiots themselves ... had turned to stealthier, vaguer "Intelligent Design" ramblings.

Great. You discovered our plan; now us YECers have to find another way to take over the schools.

BTW, you would sound smarter if you didn't resort to grade-school name-calling.

[f.Christian]

The only logical explanation of the geologic column // geology // earthquakes ---

most of the geography was formed from material from below as the earth cooled (( surface plates dried // shrank // cracked open ))...

internal heating // cooling caused expansion (( pressure )) ... 'bubbling // 'foam' -- 'grout' --- cool 'lava'...

and then this mixture // 'batter' protruded hills and buttes (( cambrian layers // plates on the tops )) through the plate cracks and holes (( soft spots )) from below !

This wouldn't be hard to prove ...

plate (( valleys )) edges // cracks would match mountain // hill sides ---

also butte (( canyon sides // layers too )) layers (( thicker )) ---

would match underground layers (( thinner )) ...

this is all self evident --- obvious !

You just have to unlearn the evo hoax (( erosian )) // ruse (( old earth )) !

also ...

most of the earthquakes in the LA basin are caused by the shrinking and settlement of the various broken plates ---

the major ones by the san andreas fault lines readjusting !

[Doctor Stochastic]

The odds of having ALL the Age of the Universe measurements agree are about much less than 1 to the 720th power.