Light From the First Days of Creation

Institute for Creation Research ^ | February 2003 | Russell Humphreys, Ph.D.

[CalConservative]

The creation science view of the MAP probe data.

[CalConservative]

**ping**

[Aracelis]

Same stuff, different thread ping

[day10]

This is very intresting. I read a book recently that stated how particle physicists believe more and more that time is a physical dimension rather than a line as we perceive it. It also stated that particle physicists believe there may be as many as 10 dimensions - and that this is supported by a study of Genesis in the original Hebrew language.

[f.Christian]

God can create a full grown tree instantaneously . . .

we shouldn't age // DATE the universe by our thinking // timeclock - - -

it (( universe // human life )) was CREATED probably just like the tree -- -- --

--- full grown --- blown (( bang )) ! !

[jlogajan]

the radiation would have started its trip to us during the first few days of Creation, about 6,000 years ago as measured by clocks on earth.

Kook.

[f.Christian]

There's human footprints in the geologic column --- how come ? ?

[John H K]

I'd like them to produce this "clock." Though I suspect they just mean the usual "adding-up-the-list-of-begats" in the bible.

Sorta suprised to see Young Earth Creationism blatantly stated again; I'd sort of gotten the impression that even the Creationidiots themselves realized how obviously moronic babbling about YEC was was and had turned to stealthier, vaguer "Intelligent Design" ramblings.

[gomaaa]

"This is very intresting. I read a book recently that stated how particle physicists believe more and more that time is a physical dimension rather than a line as we perceive it. It also stated that particle physicists believe there may be as many as 10 dimensions - and that this is supported by a study of Genesis in the original Hebrew language. "

This first part is entirely correct. Einstein's theory of special relativity treats time on exactly the same footing as space. we have a coordinate in time exactly as we do in the three-dimensional world. The catch is, that while we can move in any direction in space at will, our "velocity" in time seems fixed. This is true so long as your velocity is MUCH smaller than that of light, which is the case in everyday life. If you were to somehow speed up to the point where you could give a photon a run for its money, your motion along the "time direction" gets more complicated.

The second idea you mention is out of string theory or, as it's called these days, "M"-theory. (Don't ask me what the "M" stands for. Even the people who work on it don't know.) This is an entirely theoretical idea, which we have so far been unable to prove. (And are unlikely to be able to prove for some time.) We'll see if experiments agree or not. It's probably not TOO far off, though.

The bit about the Biblical support? I have never heard of that, and none of my particle physicist friends have either. Be very suspicsious of this book! I would actually be very curious to know the title and author so I could have a look myself.

[MineralMan]

"There's human footprints in the geologic column --- how come ? ?
"

Uh, Duh, f.Christian. There are footprints of _mine_ at the top of the geologic column...in my driveway. I put them there this morning.

Make sense, please.

[PatrickHenry]

Thanks for the ping, but I ain't gonna deploy my ping list for this thread. Now if I had an "abnormal psyshology" ping list ...

[RobRoy]

>>I'd sort of gotten the impression that even the Creationidiots themselves realized how obviously moronic babbling about YEC was was and had turned to stealthier, vaguer "Intelligent Design" ramblings. <<

I won't call it "obviously moronic babbling," but not being God, I certainly won't rule it out as a viable possibility.

Neither will any other intelligent human being with a sincerely open mind. Believe it or not, even the best of us still don't know it ALL...

[balrog666]

It makes you wonder how much of Genesis this guy could read into his bowel movements if that was his bent.

[Doctor Stochastic]

The Earliest Footprints on the Sands of Time

Of course this pattern was Created to appear exactly as if the Universe was 15,000,000,000 years old (give or take a bit.) As the amounts of Uranium and Lead (inter alia) were Created to give exactly the same results as other Radioactive Decay Series (worked that word in, moose and cheese later) do for the Age of the Earth.

[MineralMan]

"Of course this pattern was Created to appear exactly as if the Universe was 15,000,000,000 years old (give or take a bit.) As the amounts of Uranium and Lead (inter alia) were Created to give exactly the same results as other Radioactive Decay Series (worked that word in, moose and cheese later) do for the Age of the Earth.
"

Absolutely. Godditit just to fool us, as a test of faith. I have no doubt of that. And that pesky red shift stuff. Now that took a little time to figure out, I'd guess. All designed to test the faith of humans in the 20th and 21st century. Goddidit.

[Lurking Libertarian]

It also stated that particle physicists believe there may be as many as 10 dimensions - and that this is supported by a study of Genesis in the original Hebrew language.

Ten (actually, I think it's 11) dimensions is part of one theory held by some physicists, though I don't claim to understand it. But "supported by a study of Genesis in the original Hebrew language"? No way that I can see, and, as the product of a Jewish religious school, I have read Genesis in Hebrew quite a few times.

[Genesis defender]

[E]ven the Creationidiots themselves ... had turned to stealthier, vaguer "Intelligent Design" ramblings.

Great. You discovered our plan; now us YECers have to find another way to take over the schools.

BTW, you would sound smarter if you didn't resort to grade-school name-calling.

[f.Christian]

The only logical explanation of the geologic column // geology // earthquakes ---

most of the geography was formed from material from below as the earth cooled (( surface plates dried // shrank // cracked open ))...

internal heating // cooling caused expansion (( pressure )) ... 'bubbling // 'foam' -- 'grout' --- cool 'lava'...

and then this mixture // 'batter' protruded hills and buttes (( cambrian layers // plates on the tops )) through the plate cracks and holes (( soft spots )) from below !

This wouldn't be hard to prove ...

plate (( valleys )) edges // cracks would match mountain // hill sides ---

also butte (( canyon sides // layers too )) layers (( thicker )) ---

would match underground layers (( thinner )) ...

this is all self evident --- obvious !

You just have to unlearn the evo hoax (( erosian )) // ruse (( old earth )) !

also ...

most of the earthquakes in the LA basin are caused by the shrinking and settlement of the various broken plates ---

the major ones by the san andreas fault lines readjusting !

[Doctor Stochastic]

The odds of having ALL the Age of the Universe measurements agree are about much less than 1 to the 720th power.