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It's time Republicans learned to play hardball (Strom Thurmond filibustered for 24 hours)
townhall ^ | February 26, 2003 | Linda Chavez

Posted on 02/27/2003 10:14:14 PM PST by TLBSHOW

It's time Republicans learned to play hardball

It's time Republicans learned to play hardball. Democrats don't really want to filibuster Miguel Estrada's nomination to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia. They aren't anxious to stay up all night and give marathon speeches on the dangers Estrada purportedly poses to the Republic. Tom Daschle needs his beauty rest, after all.

But the Republicans haven't been willing to call the Dems' bluff. Normally, a filibuster requires a senator to take the floor and keep it, an arcane privilege that prevents the Senate from voting on the issue at hand, unless 60 senators vote to cut off debate.

Former South Carolina Sen. Strom Thurmond (then a Democrat) filibustered for 24 hours and 18 minutes straight in an attempt to kill the 1957 Civil Rights Act. Former senator William Proxmire (D-WI) talked for 16 hours and 12 minutes on a debt-ceiling bill in 1981, and then-senator Alphonse D'Amato (R-NY) filibustered a tax bill for 15 hours and 14 minutes in 1992.

No one seems to have the stomach for a real filibuster today, Democrats or Republicans. Instead of holding the Democrats' feet to the fire to force them to keep talking, the GOP leadership allowed senators to go home for the Presidents' Day recess without voting on Estrada. Now, Republicans are letting the Democrats drag out the debate day after day, without forcing obstinate senators to stay on the floor round the clock and on weekends.

It's understandable that Democrats wouldn't want to talk about Miguel Estrada hour after hour. They have nothing to say. Estrada is obviously well qualified for the position, having received the highest judicial recommendation from the American Bar Association.

His stellar qualifications have earned Estrada a left-handed compliment from Democrat Sen. Harry Reid (NV), who said, "We don't know anything about Estrada, other than he's smart."

The Democrats' real complaint is that Estrada hasn't commented publicly on controversial issues such as abortion and affirmative action. But is it fair to oppose a nominee on those grounds alone?

Ironically, the Democrats and liberal interest groups launched a similar attack on a previous Republican judicial nominee, calling him a "stealth" candidate for his refusal to say how he might vote on abortion cases. When a Republican-controlled senate confirmed that nominee, National Abortion Rights Action League executive director Kate Michelman accused senators of "a dangerous leap of faith (which) placed in jeopardy American women's fundamental right to choose." The nominee -- Justice David Souter -- went on to become a stalwart pro-abortion vote on the Supreme Court.

Estrada isn't likely to become another Souter. Conservatives certainly don't believe he will. But the point is, his failure to inform the Senate about his private views on abortion shouldn't be held against Estrada, even by the pro-abortion ideologues that constitute the Democrats' senate ranks.

Nonetheless, by not exposing the Democrats for the obstructionists they are, Republicans have opened themselves up to the charge by Democrats that it is Republicans who are to blame for bringing Senate work to a standstill with the Estrada nomination. Worse, Republicans have confused the issue by insisting on talking during this phony Democrat filibuster in a misguided attempt to make sure the pro-Estrada side gets equal time in the debate. Anyone tuning in to the debate on C-SPAN wouldn't have any idea from watching this charade that the Democrats are the real holdup on Senate action.

I've seen it time and again in my 30 years in Washington. Republicans play by gentlemen's rules. Democrats play to win. Republican sportsmanlike conduct has cost them dearly over the years. Republican diffidence helped doom Robert Bork's Supreme Court nomination, almost derailed Clarence Thomas' confirmation to the high court, and is likely to defeat Miguel Estrada's appellate court bid as well.

It is probably too late now to force the Democrats' hand. Republicans moreover may believe that if Democrats succeed in blocking Estrada's confirmation, Hispanic voters will punish Democrats at the polls. Don't bet on it. More likely, Hispanics will see that for all their good intentions, Republicans can't deliver when it counts.


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1 posted on 02/27/2003 10:14:14 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
>>>No one seems to have the stomach for a real filibuster today...

Well, someone on the GOP side better grow some cojones and real quick too. Calling Bill Frist! Have you got what it takes, to stand up to the leftwing scum in the Senate?

Show us some cojones, Mister Leader!

2 posted on 02/27/2003 10:18:56 PM PST by Reagan Man
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To: TLBSHOW
Thanks for posting this. I read it in the New York Post today. It's really great stuff. I've been advocating that the Repubs get some spine for years. But no, they cater to the Libs and we all suffer as a result. FReegards.
3 posted on 02/27/2003 10:22:48 PM PST by Dec31,1999
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To: TLBSHOW
The republicans are cowards... or idiots. they either don't know how to kill the enemies of freedom, or they lack the courage to drive the wooden stake.

In either case, their timidity and "go along to get along" attitude has severely endangered our children's futures in the long term... and very likely in the short term as well.

Frist needs to walk in this morning at 3AM with somebody's head in a wicker basket... and again at 4AM with another... and again at 5AM with another... and by the time we get to five thirty... the judge would be confirmed... and we could vote on the next ten by noon.

metaphoricallly speaking... of course.
But with so many of the levers of power in our hands, to bring about necessary change, somebody's gotta be willing to get bloodied, in order to force change. FORCE is the only thing that outs tyrants... you gdstupidfingrepublicans... and MOST democrats are merely pre emergant tyrannists... Advice to bush and company, including frist, go for the throat or don't waste our time.

same for Iraq.. enough... cr$p or get off the pot.
4 posted on 02/27/2003 10:26:12 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2 (Mr. 29a... needs to be convicted.)
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To: TLBSHOW
Instead of holding the Democrats' feet to the fire to force them to keep talking,


Oh gifted one..... just how do you force someone to keep talking? Please explain that procedure to the forum. What if they don't want the floor and don't want to talk. How do you make them? What if they don't seek recognition? The senate just sits idle awaiting someone to seek recognition...
5 posted on 02/27/2003 10:27:00 PM PST by deport (Where fools rush in..........)
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To: Reagan Man
Show us some cojones, Mister Leader!

SCREW THAT... show us the severed heads!!!

I am so tired of the panty waist crap. With the kind of power available to us right now, CLINTON would have already fired up the ovens for us conservatives...

all I want is one battle to be jammed down their bleeding throats successfully. whats the problem with that?

6 posted on 02/27/2003 10:30:14 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2 (Mr. 29a... needs to be convicted.)
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To: deport
Instead of holding the Democrats' feet to the fire to force them to keep talking, the GOP leadership allowed senators to go home for the Presidents' Day recess without voting on Estrada. Now, Republicans are letting the Democrats drag out the debate day after day, without forcing obstinate senators to stay on the floor round the clock and on weekends.

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I like this girl! feet to the fire
7 posted on 02/27/2003 10:33:36 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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All I ever had to know about Linda Chavez is now summed up in one phrase.....

"almost derailed Clarence Thomas' confirmation to the high court"

Yeah baby, almost, however Judge Thomas is now a supreme court justice, and Chavez......well, she's snipin' from the right, like other Suslov conservatives.

8 posted on 02/27/2003 10:38:24 PM PST by A Citizen Reporter
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To: TLBSHOW
Instead of holding the Democrats' feet to the fire to force them to keep talking,


I'll ask you again. How do you force them to keep talking? Do you understand the question? How do you force them to talk when they don't seek recognition? Sure you can have some quorum calls every so often but that mostly gets your ppl up and to the floor as they have to have 51 to conduct business.... so in effect the Dems could stay home, sleep and keep their one Senator there to object to any unamimous consent request.

Again how do you force someone to talk. Enlighten us.
9 posted on 02/27/2003 10:38:35 PM PST by deport (Where fools rush in..........)
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To: TLBSHOW
Possibly the Republicans want to get some business done, and are waiting for the war to start so that a filibuster by the Dems while our soldiers are in harm's way will be all the more repulsive.

Turkey is now the reason why the war has been held up as a recent change in the political makeup of their parliament has made it difficult to get them to agree on allowing the second front for the war to amass on their territory.

Democracy is a b*tch.

10 posted on 02/27/2003 10:40:42 PM PST by patriciaruth
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To: deport
Oh gifted one..... just how do you force someone to keep talking?

What he meant was "force them to keep talking or have the vote. Under the rules as understood up until now, they have to keep talking, or at least "holding the floor" or the filibuster is over and the question can be called. Didn't you ever watch "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" with Jimmy Stewart? There have been some really funny incidents during filibusters. Such as putting screen up so the member can relieve himself (or herself in at least one State Legislature). But important point is that the filibustering Senator must keep talking to hold the floor, he must already have that recognition, else a vote on issue in question can take place. He must also stay on the floor of the Senate. Time outs for a 3 day weekend are normally not allowed.

If you want to end a filibuster, you must get a supermajority of votes to do it. The Republicans don't have the necessary 60 (IIRC) votes, so the filibuster continues. If the shoe were on the other foot, the lamestream media would be whinning about shutting Congress down, not doing the important work of government, etc, etc.

11 posted on 02/27/2003 10:41:18 PM PST by El Gato
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To: deport
do you understand a real 24/7 filibuster buster?
12 posted on 02/27/2003 10:44:37 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: El Gato
"Such as putting screen up so the member can relieve himself (or herself in at least one State Legislature)."

I believe the incident to which you are referring happened in a Board of Alderman's meeting in the City of St. Louis! Which can hardly be compared to the US Senate, one hopes......

13 posted on 02/27/2003 10:45:21 PM PST by A Citizen Reporter
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To: TLBSHOW
do you understand a real 24/7 filibuster buster?


The real question is .... how do you force someone to talk when they aren't seeking recognition and object to a unamious consent to a vote?
14 posted on 02/27/2003 10:46:45 PM PST by deport (Where fools rush in..........)
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To: TLBSHOW
do you understand a real 24/7 filibuster buster?


Better yet... maybe you can explain it for all of us and be sure and use the rules of the Senate as they would be applied in a real 24/7 filibuster buster
15 posted on 02/27/2003 10:48:44 PM PST by deport (Where fools rush in..........)
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To: El Gato
Perhaps the stupid Republicans are trying to get a precedent set so that they can do the same once Bush loses in '04. As if the Dems would be honorable enough to give weekends off! Ha!
16 posted on 02/27/2003 10:49:29 PM PST by Dec31,1999
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To: deport
I for one, am waiting for an answer.....
17 posted on 02/27/2003 10:50:02 PM PST by A Citizen Reporter
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To: TLBSHOW
Since I am from South Carolina,one of the first things I remember that was taught in civics was the filibuster by Strom.
18 posted on 02/27/2003 10:57:51 PM PST by noutopia
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To: A Citizen Reporter
I have a thread some where here that said Bill Frist would hold the rats feet to the fire instead the rats are playing him!
19 posted on 02/27/2003 10:58:44 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: A Citizen Reporter
I for one, am waiting for an answer.....
I suspect you'll have to wait until

20 posted on 02/27/2003 10:59:21 PM PST by deport (Where fools rush in..........)
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