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Anti-Creationists Backed Into a Corner?
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| February 24, 2003
| Jim Brown
Posted on 02/24/2003 1:25:18 PM PST by Remedy
More than 200 evolutionists have issued a statement aimed at discrediting advocates of intelligent design and belittling school board resolutions that question the validity of Darwinism.
The National Center for Science Education has issued a statement that backs evolution instruction in public schools and pokes fun at those who favor teaching the controversy surrounding Darwinian evolution. According to the statement, "it is scientifically inappropriate and pedagogically irresponsible" for creation science to be introduced into public school science textbooks. [See Earlier Article]
Forrest Turpen, executive director of Christian Educators Association International, says it is obvious the evolution-only advocates feel their ideology and livelihood are being threatened.
"There is a tremendous grouping of individuals whose life and whose thought patterns are based on only an evolutionary point of view," Turpen says, "so to allow criticism of that would be to criticize who they are and what they're about. That's one of the issues."
Turpen says the evolution-only advocates also feel their base of financial rewards is being threatened.
"There's a financial issue here, too," he says. "When you have that kind of an establishment based on those kinds of thought patterns, to show that there may be some scientific evidence -- and there is -- that would refute that, undermines their ability to control the science education and the financial end of it."
Turpen says although evolutionists claim they support a diversity of viewpoints in the classroom, they are quick to stifle any criticism of Darwinism. In Ohio recently, the State Board of Education voted to allow criticism of Darwinism in its tenth-grade science classes.
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To: BibChr
BTW, the point at which they usually blow their corks is when they mentally concede. The title of the thread is especially appropriate:
Anti-Creationists Backed Into a Corner?
581
posted on
02/26/2003 6:50:56 AM PST
by
Dataman
To: Dataman; BibChr
Oh, now I get it. Christian love only works for fellow christians! When you two get done lathering each other up, it would benefit everyone if you got back to any of the hundreds of posts that addressed your scientific shortcomings. Thank you.
To: whattajoke
...would benefit everyone if you got back to any of the hundreds of posts that addressed your scientific shortcomings.Okay.
Done.
Dan
583
posted on
02/26/2003 6:58:59 AM PST
by
BibChr
To: Ichneumon
OK, thanks for the reference on how salt may get OUT of the oceans over billions of years. Plankton take it into their bodies and die. And then...?
Evaporative salt deposits are being formed where...today?
So that we can do science and measure. Not hopefully assume that what we want to believe is true?
Interesting discussion.
To: Dataman
Ichneumon has put out tons of data on this thread alone. He's supplied links, researched the backgrounds of the authorities the creationists put up, and generally supplied most of the factual information on this thread. You airily dismiss all this with a wave of your hand and an epithet. You and BibChr have done nothing but carp and bad-mouth others on this thread and have added little or nothing to the discussion.
585
posted on
02/26/2003 7:09:20 AM PST
by
Junior
(I want my, I want my, I want my chimpanzees)
To: whattajoke
When you two get done lathering each other up... Now, now, WJ - we have a strict "don't ask, don't tell" policy these days...
586
posted on
02/26/2003 7:13:03 AM PST
by
general_re
(Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies.)
To: Dataman
I have no idea how Hitler felt about the idea of descent with modification. But I know his racial theories and his means of enacting them were related to eugenics. They are slightly related, but they are as related to each other as dog breeding is to evolution as I've pointed out. Or do you believe that every dog breed was created exactly as is 6000 years ago? I'd like to hear you expound on that. I doubt it'll happen. You prefer to just ignore and tell me I'm an alien (server down? do you even read what I post, or just auto-insult me?) for believing Hitler wasn't an evolutionist.
Your grasp of logic is amusing. Say Hitler did believe in evolutionary theory, which he very well may have. But eugenics and evolutionary biology are completely different. Especially since Hitler seems far more likely to believe in social Darwinism. I'm sure lots of bad people and good people have believed in lots of theories through time. I mean, Darwin actually believed in God. Can you believe that? What an idiot! Anyway, your basic syllogism goes "1) Hitler believed in evolutionary theory. 2) Hitler was bad. 3) Evolutionary theory makes people bad." You might as well use syllogisms such as this "1) All cats die. 2) Socrates is dead. 3) Socrates was a cat." You are twisting logic beyond what is ... logical! Aristotle would cry to see what you've done to his works.
(Note: my religion bashing above was done with my tongue planted firmly in my cheek, so please, do not stab me.)
To: All
"Creation scientists" doing "creation research"
588
posted on
02/26/2003 7:14:51 AM PST
by
PatrickHenry
(Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas)
To: Dataman
New Documentary on the History Channel:
Dog Breeders: Hitler's Secret Henchmen!
To: Dataman
Once again, you utterly miss my point. It is the hypocrisy in your postings. On the one hand, you repeatedly bring up and belabor the tenuous, at best, relationship between Hitler and evolution, and on the other hand you disingenuously state that you are not smearing those who accept evolution by doing so -- that you are instead making some other oh-so-subtle and refined point, to wit, that others may follow in the misguided footsteps of Hitler, Stalin and Mao. Come on. Others may follow in the misguided footsteps of Jim Jones and David Koresh too. The point being?
Do not flatter yourself. You are not a deep enough thinker nor a careful enough writer to be engaging in anything other than simple slander when you invoke Hitler. Indeed, it is obvious from your postings that you are almost perfectly one-dimensional. You repeatedly raise superfluous arguments and well-refuted "science" to support your position, and you post in a singular, perpetually nasty tone of voice. Civility is clearly a foreign concept to you.
I apologized to Dan for accusing him of condemnation by innuendo. I included you in the accusation, and mistakenly included you in the apology as well. I am happy to now correct that mistake, and I will gladly accomodate your request to be ignored. One-trick ponies just ain't that interesting. (I'm out of here for the time being anyway. Business beckons.)
590
posted on
02/26/2003 7:19:13 AM PST
by
atlaw
To: atlaw
when you invoke Hitler Proof again that you do not read before you respond. One of your own invoked Hitler: PatrickHenry.
591
posted on
02/26/2003 7:40:31 AM PST
by
Dataman
To: Junior
You and BibChr have done nothing but carp and bad-mouth others on this thread and have added little or nothing to the discussion. Compared to what you and PatrickHenry et al have provided? Look at the Schlickmeister's colorful picture.
592
posted on
02/26/2003 8:01:55 AM PST
by
AndrewC
To: Junior
593
posted on
02/26/2003 8:02:23 AM PST
by
Condorman
(Experiencing synaptic difficulties, please stand by)
To: Ichneumon
<>So describe some of it for us...<>
(1) Obviously you didn't read the full post or you wouldn't have submitted such an inane response.
(2) There is now a very large body of literature detailing the creationists activity for anyone who cares to actually investigate rather than throwing around cliches.
(3) Do you care to detail all the 'body of valid scientific work' that supports evolution? Should be easy to do since it is all 'fact', right?
We can go back and forth like this all day, but the simple truth is either you don't want to know the truth because the existence of a morally perfect God would put constraints on you that you won't accept, you like to play games which make you feel intellectually superior to others, or you are effectively a nihilist. Whatever the case, I won't waste any effort on you or your ilk; there are just too many honest seekers out there to do that.
To: gore3000
All you and your friends can do is make up garbage to insult opponents. Please highlight the portions of the exchange you believe to be fabricated.
595
posted on
02/26/2003 8:08:16 AM PST
by
Condorman
(I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid - Bishop)
To: Dataman
POST 249: To: Junior: Evolution does not quite cover the truth. You may be Christian but the term evolution has been taken and is counter to the facts and too many lies are spread to the masses. The worse of history such as Hitler were evolutionist. There is the gap theory on the Christian but more data is needed.
249 posted on 02/25/2003 9:14 AM PST by bmwcyle
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POST 277: To: bmwcyle: "The worse of history such as Hitler were evolutionist." Sooner or later, the creationists always mention Hitler. Now, creation-boy, it's time you learned the truth:
For it was by the Will of God that men were made of a certain bodily shape, were given their natures and their faculties. Whoever destroys His work wages war against God's Creation and God's Will.-- Adolph Hitler, creationist
277 posted on 02/25/2003 10:19 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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POST 291: To: PatrickHenry; bmwcyle: PatrickHenry is wrong as usual. All you have to do is look at the pictures. It seems like the people who were butchered by Hitler had no problem understanding his evolutionary motives. Hitler made it very clear that his mythical race of supermen were the only ones that deserved to live and that the rest hadn't evolved as far. What kind of a closed mind can deny Hitler's ties to evolution? The same kind that denies the holocaust.
291 posted on 02/25/2003 10:33 AM PST by Dataman
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You were saying?
596
posted on
02/26/2003 8:12:46 AM PST
by
atlaw
To: Condorman
Pretty good movie too.
597
posted on
02/26/2003 8:23:52 AM PST
by
balrog666
(When in doubt, tell the truth. - Mark Twain)
To: AndrewC
This comes from the guy who lawyerly parses everything the evos say in an effort to nit pick them to death.
598
posted on
02/26/2003 8:28:03 AM PST
by
Junior
(I want my, I want my, I want my chimpanzees)
To: AndrewC
They fooled you too, eh? These "more than 200 evolutionists" are all named Steve.
It's like characterizing 9/11 as a building collapse and not mentioning that it was an act of terrorism.
To: atlaw
I stand corrected, BMW was first. When's the last time an evo admitted a mistake?
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posted on
02/26/2003 8:59:35 AM PST
by
Dataman
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