Posted on 02/24/2003 1:25:18 PM PST by Remedy
More than 200 evolutionists have issued a statement aimed at discrediting advocates of intelligent design and belittling school board resolutions that question the validity of Darwinism.
The National Center for Science Education has issued a statement that backs evolution instruction in public schools and pokes fun at those who favor teaching the controversy surrounding Darwinian evolution. According to the statement, "it is scientifically inappropriate and pedagogically irresponsible" for creation science to be introduced into public school science textbooks. [See Earlier Article]
Forrest Turpen, executive director of Christian Educators Association International, says it is obvious the evolution-only advocates feel their ideology and livelihood are being threatened.
"There is a tremendous grouping of individuals whose life and whose thought patterns are based on only an evolutionary point of view," Turpen says, "so to allow criticism of that would be to criticize who they are and what they're about. That's one of the issues."
Turpen says the evolution-only advocates also feel their base of financial rewards is being threatened.
"There's a financial issue here, too," he says. "When you have that kind of an establishment based on those kinds of thought patterns, to show that there may be some scientific evidence -- and there is -- that would refute that, undermines their ability to control the science education and the financial end of it."
Turpen says although evolutionists claim they support a diversity of viewpoints in the classroom, they are quick to stifle any criticism of Darwinism. In Ohio recently, the State Board of Education voted to allow criticism of Darwinism in its tenth-grade science classes.
Hardly -- that's the creationist way. Look, for example, how often they try to hand-wave away various dating methods that give results they don't like.
Living material would disintegrate in thousands of years...not millions.
Horse manure. Fragments of DNA have been successfully recovered from several-million-year-old specimens.
What about river deltas? Is the Mississippi or Nile really showing a muddy mouth that is millions, or just thousands, of years.
The Mississippi river as we know it today is about 12,000 years old. What of it? Before that were other rivers, in other places, as the landmasses of the Earth continued to move (as they do today) around forming differently shaped and elevated landmasses.
This is not just conjecture, many geologic columns have "fossil" riverbeds embedded deep within them. In fact, most coal beds were formed by riverborne organic silt deposites.
I look at questions and evidence. Why is there still helium on the earth after billions of years.
Because new helium is being formed by radioactive decay in the Earth and released into the atmosphere. Take it up with the creationists at ICR, they claim that there's too little helium. You creationists have to get together one of these days and get your stories straight.
Why aren't the oceans MUCH saltier?
Because although there are processes adding new salt to the oceans daily, there are also at the same time processes removing existing salt. Spectacular numeric analysis of salt influx/removal rates from various sources for the oceans
This was, the astute reader will know, in response to my challenge for Metacognative [sic] to:
But just for fun, give us you *best* "interesting evidence" for a young earth, and we'll show you why it hardly deserves to be uttered in the same breath as the word "science"....which was issued in response to *his* snarky broadsides against "Darwinites".
Nor did I do any "namecalling" in that post, as you can see for yourself by following the links back.
So again, we see a creationist lamely dodging a challenge to provide support for his insults, by the creative tactic of spewing more insults.
Not at all, but I'm curious why you would presume so.
(Everyone watch closely, this should be a good one.)
Uh, no, that's 250 million...
250 billion would be 250,000,000,000.
If someone believes that there is a primary and intelligent cause for life, the universe, and everything; would that make the individual ignorant, an idiot, or dishonest?
By itself, none of the above.
Try reading my post again. I made no aspersions at all against people who believe any particular thing.
I did, however, describe the nature of the folks who make a habit of making quixotic crusades against evolution with various attempts to "disprove" it. To date, as I said, those attacks have been almost without exception perpetrated by the foolhardy.
I stand by that statement.
I also took care to mention that there have been a few honest, intelligent folks in that same crowd, although they are depressingly rare. Is there any reason you chose to snip that out when you quoted my post for your reply and then asked a question that implied I thought the idiots were the *only* possibilities?
Good questions (some of the first in this thread, there's hope yet!), but I'm up *WAY* past my bedtime and I don't have time to give it the attention it deserves right now. So this is my "bookmark", I'll get back to you after I get some sleep.
Well, you show again that you cannot even talk in a civilized manner. You show again your insistence in trying to prove that something is not what it is. But more importantly you show your (and other evolutionists desire) to distract from the facts being presented to you regarding evolution and go off on a complete tangent of blather and character assassination. Talk about the subject at hand lamer, refute my statements lamer. All you and your friends can do is make up garbage to insult opponents.
Only an evolutionist would have such a low disregard for humanity (and himself) as to compare apes favorably with humans. The charlatan Darwin did that for chapeter after chapter in the descent of man showing absolutely his considering man no more than a beast. It is such attitudes, such beliefs that lead to the disregard for human life exercised by mass murderers of all ilks.
They ... who say to a tree, "You are my father, and to a stone, "You gave me birth".
Isn't that great! The Lord knew that the idea/spirit of evolution existed way back then. He reduces it to it's simplist form and shows it for what it is. We can easily picture a university auditorium full of profs and experts speaking so haughtily about "foam fractionation" and yet it is merely the same thing as in Jer 2:27 with modern day trimmings.
Now that's what makes you look brilliant. Earlier you were referred to as Icky. Fits.
Put me on you "do not call" list. I prefer to deal with adults.
Good morning Dan! I think if FR added an autoreply feature it would save guys like Icky a lot of time. It could look like this:
SO???? What's your point? So's your mother.
Honestly, isn't it simply amazing when one of them flatly tells you that you're wrong about what you meant, he's going to TELL you what you meant -- and then, after that's exposed, another comes along and does the exact same thing? I mean, doesn't this exactly mirror what they do with God's own verbal account of Creation?
It is such self-parody... you couldn't have made it up!
Dan
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