Anti-Creationists Backed Into a Corner?

AgapePress ^ | February 24, 2003 | Jim Brown

[Dataman]

BTW, the point at which they usually blow their corks is when they mentally concede. The title of the thread is especially appropriate:

Anti-Creationists Backed Into a Corner?

[whattajoke]

Oh, now I get it. Christian love only works for fellow christians! When you two get done lathering each other up, it would benefit everyone if you got back to any of the hundreds of posts that addressed your scientific shortcomings. Thank you.

[BibChr]

...would benefit everyone if you got back to any of the hundreds of posts that addressed your scientific shortcomings.

Okay.

Done.

Dan

[metacognative]

OK, thanks for the reference on how salt may get OUT of the oceans over billions of years. Plankton take it into their bodies and die. And then...?
Evaporative salt deposits are being formed where...today?
So that we can do science and measure. Not hopefully assume that what we want to believe is true?
Interesting discussion.

[Junior]

Ichneumon has put out tons of data on this thread alone. He's supplied links, researched the backgrounds of the authorities the creationists put up, and generally supplied most of the factual information on this thread. You airily dismiss all this with a wave of your hand and an epithet. You and BibChr have done nothing but carp and bad-mouth others on this thread and have added little or nothing to the discussion.

[general_re]

When you two get done lathering each other up...

Now, now, WJ - we have a strict "don't ask, don't tell" policy these days...

[Buckeye Bomber]

I have no idea how Hitler felt about the idea of descent with modification. But I know his racial theories and his means of enacting them were related to eugenics. They are slightly related, but they are as related to each other as dog breeding is to evolution as I've pointed out. Or do you believe that every dog breed was created exactly as is 6000 years ago? I'd like to hear you expound on that. I doubt it'll happen. You prefer to just ignore and tell me I'm an alien (server down? do you even read what I post, or just auto-insult me?) for believing Hitler wasn't an evolutionist.

Your grasp of logic is amusing. Say Hitler did believe in evolutionary theory, which he very well may have. But eugenics and evolutionary biology are completely different. Especially since Hitler seems far more likely to believe in social Darwinism. I'm sure lots of bad people and good people have believed in lots of theories through time. I mean, Darwin actually believed in God. Can you believe that? What an idiot! Anyway, your basic syllogism goes "1) Hitler believed in evolutionary theory. 2) Hitler was bad. 3) Evolutionary theory makes people bad." You might as well use syllogisms such as this "1) All cats die. 2) Socrates is dead. 3) Socrates was a cat." You are twisting logic beyond what is ... logical! Aristotle would cry to see what you've done to his works.

(Note: my religion bashing above was done with my tongue planted firmly in my cheek, so please, do not stab me.)

[PatrickHenry]

"Creation scientists" doing "creation research"

[Buckeye Bomber]

New Documentary on the History Channel:

Dog Breeders: Hitler's Secret Henchmen!

[atlaw]

Once again, you utterly miss my point. It is the hypocrisy in your postings. On the one hand, you repeatedly bring up and belabor the tenuous, at best, relationship between Hitler and evolution, and on the other hand you disingenuously state that you are not smearing those who accept evolution by doing so -- that you are instead making some other oh-so-subtle and refined point, to wit, that others may follow in the misguided footsteps of Hitler, Stalin and Mao. Come on. Others may follow in the misguided footsteps of Jim Jones and David Koresh too. The point being?

Do not flatter yourself. You are not a deep enough thinker nor a careful enough writer to be engaging in anything other than simple slander when you invoke Hitler. Indeed, it is obvious from your postings that you are almost perfectly one-dimensional. You repeatedly raise superfluous arguments and well-refuted "science" to support your position, and you post in a singular, perpetually nasty tone of voice. Civility is clearly a foreign concept to you.

I apologized to Dan for accusing him of condemnation by innuendo. I included you in the accusation, and mistakenly included you in the apology as well. I am happy to now correct that mistake, and I will gladly accomodate your request to be ignored. One-trick ponies just ain't that interesting. (I'm out of here for the time being anyway. Business beckons.)

[Dataman]

when you invoke Hitler

Proof again that you do not read before you respond. One of your own invoked Hitler: PatrickHenry.

[AndrewC]

You and BibChr have done nothing but carp and bad-mouth others on this thread and have added little or nothing to the discussion.

Compared to what you and PatrickHenry et al have provided? Look at the Schlickmeister's colorful picture.

[Condorman]

Evolution Definition Recap
Wildly Elliptical Recap
Possible Explanation

[MoGalahad]

<>So describe some of it for us...<>

(1) Obviously you didn't read the full post or you wouldn't have submitted such an inane response.
(2) There is now a very large body of literature detailing the creationists activity for anyone who cares to actually investigate rather than throwing around cliches.
(3) Do you care to detail all the 'body of valid scientific work' that supports evolution? Should be easy to do since it is all 'fact', right?

We can go back and forth like this all day, but the simple truth is either you don't want to know the truth because the existence of a morally perfect God would put constraints on you that you won't accept, you like to play games which make you feel intellectually superior to others, or you are effectively a nihilist. Whatever the case, I won't waste any effort on you or your ilk; there are just too many honest seekers out there to do that.

[Condorman]

All you and your friends can do is make up garbage to insult opponents.

Please highlight the portions of the exchange you believe to be fabricated.

[atlaw]

POST 249: To: Junior: Evolution does not quite cover the truth. You may be Christian but the term evolution has been taken and is counter to the facts and too many lies are spread to the masses. The worse of history such as Hitler were evolutionist. There is the gap theory on the Christian but more data is needed.

249 posted on 02/25/2003 9:14 AM PST by bmwcyle
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POST 277: To: bmwcyle: "The worse of history such as Hitler were evolutionist." Sooner or later, the creationists always mention Hitler. Now, creation-boy, it's time you learned the truth:

For it was by the Will of God that men were made of a certain bodily shape, were given their natures and their faculties. Whoever destroys His work wages war against God's Creation and God's Will.-- Adolph Hitler, creationist

277 posted on 02/25/2003 10:19 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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POST 291: To: PatrickHenry; bmwcyle: PatrickHenry is wrong as usual. All you have to do is look at the pictures. It seems like the people who were butchered by Hitler had no problem understanding his evolutionary motives. Hitler made it very clear that his mythical race of supermen were the only ones that deserved to live and that the rest hadn't evolved as far. What kind of a closed mind can deny Hitler's ties to evolution? The same kind that denies the holocaust.

291 posted on 02/25/2003 10:33 AM PST by Dataman
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You were saying?

[balrog666]

Pretty good movie too.

[Junior]

This comes from the guy who lawyerly parses everything the evos say in an effort to nit pick them to death.

[edsheppa]

They fooled you too, eh? These "more than 200 evolutionists" are all named Steve.

It's like characterizing 9/11 as a building collapse and not mentioning that it was an act of terrorism.

[Dataman]

I stand corrected, BMW was first. When's the last time an evo admitted a mistake?