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Fox News alert: US fears Iraq has transported GPS guided drones to America
Fox News Channel | 02/24/03 | Brett Baird

Posted on 02/24/2003 11:56:39 AM PST by Pokey78

Drones or pieces of drones that have GPS mapping may have been sent to Iraqi agants in US to spray chem or bio weapons over US cities.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: gps; jihadinamerica; terrorwar; uav
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To: dep
Way back when I was a can-di-date at OCS (Ft. Benning), we were taken to a live fire range and asked to shoot at a primitive version of the UAV drones now in use. 10 can-di-dates took aim at this slow flying, little plastic and foam thing and unloaded two, twenty round magazines in its direction. The result? Three hits and we didn't bring it down. Food for thought say I.
241 posted on 02/24/2003 5:42:15 PM PST by Archangelsk (There's no such thing as an old, bold pilot.)
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To: Pokey78
bump
242 posted on 02/24/2003 5:49:41 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: Travis McGee
Those that underestimate the ability of a determined and fanatical enemy, are doomed to suffer loses.

We can not always determine the battlefield or the weapons..

The enemy is just as dedicated to killing us, as we are in killing them....but, they are a lot less concerned about the WHO, WHERE and HOW....

The victory - if there can be a victory _ will go to the one that strikes first with sufficient violence to prevent a response..

We live in interesting and dangerous times.

Semper Fi
243 posted on 02/24/2003 6:50:18 PM PST by river rat (Help save the planet ...... Work toward the extinction of Jihadists....ARM THYSELF)
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To: Travis McGee; section9; Pokey78; tet68; harpseal
Saddam doesn't have chemical or biological weapons.

I'll go way out on a limb and hypothesize; say for purpose of discussion, he does.

The simple dispersal of two dozen individual terrorists spreading substances by hand is cheapest, as stated here.

Say there is a demonstrable advantage to using UAVs; problems and solutions.

Infiltration of 1) personnel; 2) aircraft; biochem agents.

The personnel are here. The aircraft are here. The biochem agents are easily brought.

John Doe gave a box of Cracker Jack to a woman with a baby at an airport; the lady boarded a plane with an ounce of coke.

Twenty-eight-point-four grams; retail.

For wholesale, Barry Seal's younger, smarter brother.

Surely any thought of "sealing borders" is moot in view of the tons of coke entering CONUS from labs in Colombia.

Thanks to NAFTA thousands of vehicles enter each day, most unsearched.

The sea of COSCO containers at San Diego is repeated at all major ports; very, very few are searched.

RC planes are larger and more reliable.

Guidance systems for private planes are fascinating.

My friend flew his wife from Santa Fe to North Carolina and showed me his software on his laptop.

He loaded it and ran some simulations.

It took him from point to point, observing the radii of restricted airspaces.

The use of small planes would enable larger payloads.

North's Project Donation provided a constant supply of aircraft for Contras.

Hopefully Islamist networks are being tracked and taken down, eliminating funding and operatives who would enact aircraft acquisition.

Monday next our Spirits should put lots of fire on the hive, and the drones far from the nest will either act or go down.

It's not comforting that Castro has been in contact with Iraqi biochem personnel, or that Chavez is close to Papa.

Also not comforting is possible Iraqi possession of Biopreparat's Newcomer nerve agent.

The FBI, emasculated by traitorrapist42 and Freeh, is tangled up in PC, holding sensitivity sessions and loathe to count mosques--count, let alone surveil with a vengeance and every humint, sigint and electronic method available.

Watch the Smoocher of Suha; when it goes to ground, a domestic attack is nigh.

Otherwise, the Bush Binary System will suppress the use of UAVs:

1) Use of such will bring a nuclear response;
2) A preemptive attack on the hive is on the horizon.

244 posted on 02/24/2003 7:00:42 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Pokey78; Alamo-Girl
http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/library/news/1998/980330-gps.htm

March 30, 1998

VICE PRESIDENT GORE ANNOUNCES ENHANCEMENTS TO THE GLOBAL POSITIONING SYSTEM THAT WILL BENEFIT CIVILIAN USERS WORLDWIDE


Message Creation Date was at 30-MAR-1998 11:14:00
      
THE WHITE HOUSE

Office of the Vice President
__________________________________________________________________
For Immediate Release     Contact:
Monday, March 30, 1998     (202) 456-7035


VICE PRESIDENT GORE ANNOUNCES ENHANCEMENTS TO THE GLOBAL POSITIONING SYSTEM 
THAT WILL BENEFIT CIVILIAN USERS WORLDWIDE

 Washington DC--Vice President Gore today announced that a second civilian 
signal will be provided by the U.S. Global Positioning System.

  &This new civilian signal will mean significant improvements in navigation, 
positioning and timing services to millions of users worldwide--from 
backpackers and fishermen to farmers, airline pilots, and scientists,8 the 
Vice President said.

 The addition of a second civil signal represents a strong commitment by the 
United States to civil GPS users worldwide and is a major step in the evolution 
of GPS as a global information utility.  Much like the Internet, GPS is 
becoming increasingly indispensable for navigation, positioning, and timing by 
users around the world.  Also like the Internet, GPS has become an engine of 
economic growth and efficiency as businesses and consumers continue to develop 
new and creative applications of this technology.

 The addition of a second frequency will greatly enhance the accuracy, 
reliability and robustness of civilian GPS receivers by enabling them to make 
more effective corrections for the distorting effects of the Earth,s 
atmosphere on the signals from space.  GPS has always provided signals on two 
frequencies for military users for this purpose.  Today,s announcement marks a 
new era in which civilians will have access to the same type of capability.

 &The decision announced today demonstrates that we can successfully balance 
the needs of civilian users with the demands of national security,8 Vice 
President Gore said.  &GPS civil signals are, and will continue to be, 
provided free of charge to consumers, businesses, and scientists around the 
world.  We will continue to do everything we can to protect these GPS signals 
and to promote GPS applications for commercial, public safety, and national 
security purposes.8

 The addition of a second civil signal has been recommended by a number of 
expert panels, the most recent of which was the White House Commission on 
Aviation Safety and Security, chaired by the Vice President.  Today,s 
announcement fulfills a pledge made last March by the Departments of Defense 
and Transportation to reach a decision on a second civil frequency within a 
year.  The Departments of Defense and Transportation co-chair an Interagency 
GPS Executive Board, created by President Clinton in 1996 to manage GPS and its 
U.S. government augmentations.

###

&This new civilian signal will mean significant improvements in navigation, 
positioning and timing services to millions of users worldwide--from 
backpackers and fishermen to farmers, airline pilots, and scientists,8 Vice 
President Gore said.

  The NAVSTAR Global Positioning System (GPS) is a constellation of 24 
satellites developed, launched, and maintained by the U.S. Air Force that 
provides positioning, timing, and navigation signals free-of-charge to both 
military and civilian users worldwide.

 A second civil frequency will allow receivers to measure the time of arrival 
for two signals that have passed through the Earth,s atmosphere and correct 
for the distortion introduced by passage from space to earth.

 An improved location calculation will allow safety-critical users requiring 
dynamic, reliable capability to be more reliant on the GPS signal, improve the 
overall accuracy of the system for the average user, and allow the 
high-accuracy users (surveying, geodesy, weather forecasters, etc.) to 
determine their data in a faster, more reliable manner.  In addition, the 
second civil signal will allow the safety-critical users to have a backup 
signal in the event of inadvertent disruption of the current civil signal.

 The Interagency GPS Executive Board (IGEB) has selected the 1227.6 MHZ band 
(currently known as the L2 signal) for the addition of new civil capability.  A 
third civil signal will also be added with a decision on the frequency to be 
made in August of this year.  The decision on which of these two new signals 
the Government will pursue to become the safety-of-life service signal will 
also be made in August.

 One of the key factors in deciding which frequency to pursue as the 
safety-of-life signal is a commitment by all members of the IGEB to have a 
safety-of-life service signal available by 2005.

 The new signals are intended to be added to the GPS Block IIF satellites.

 The new signals will be available to all civil users worldwide.  
Internationally, interest has been expressed via the International Civil 
Aviation Organization (ICAO) in the use of a second GPS civil signal in 
conjunction with the Japanese MSAS and the European EGNOS augmentation programs.

 Currently the GPS system is used by a wide range of users:  from cars and 
trucks on the nation,s highways to ships at sea and on inland waterways;  from 
civil aviation to satellites in space, from earthquake monitoring equipment to 
surveyors to backpackers;  new industries such as precision farming; and the 
electrical power companies and long-distance phone systems which derive timing 
and synchronization from the signals.

245 posted on 02/24/2003 7:33:45 PM PST by RightOnTheLeftCoast
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To: PhilDragoo
Well it's sure going to be an interesting month of March! And I live 25 miles from Mexico, and ten miles from the 2nd biggest naval base complex on the planet.
246 posted on 02/24/2003 7:37:21 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: river rat
This time, you will not have to fly 5,000 miles to the war zone.

And even old farts will be able to play a key role in homeland defense, both overtly and covertly.

247 posted on 02/24/2003 7:39:22 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Brian Mosely
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248 posted on 02/24/2003 8:02:19 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
Hmmmm ... Thanks for the information!
249 posted on 02/24/2003 8:22:10 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: river rat
does anybody remember the ufo flying over dc or washington (i forget which) could this have possibly been one of the iraqi drones.
250 posted on 02/24/2003 8:38:43 PM PST by faithincowboys (Hate The French)
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To: The Great Satan
Interesting.

What's probably not common knowlegde (and probably wasn't known by the attackers) was that portable GPS units don't function particularly well in the cockpits of commercial airliners. The heated cockpit windows prevent portable GPS units from locking on to the satellite signals they need to function.
251 posted on 02/24/2003 9:14:38 PM PST by applemac_g4
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To: Redbob
Suppose Colon Powell won't be able to talk THIS Prez Bush out of taking Bagdad?

Me thinks not!

252 posted on 02/24/2003 10:07:02 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: flamefront
Actually, Saddam's best method of using UAV's would be to launch them from ships offshore in international waters or from Canada or from Mexico. If they flew below radar detection, we could not stop them. Since they theoritically would not be within our country right now, they is nothing we could do to locate them and destroy them before deployment. Theoritically, any city within 400 miles of ocean shoreline or within 400 miles of our international borders could be hit. I find it odd that this article assumes they have been theoritically transported to the US. The UAV's dont have to be within our borders to be effective.
253 posted on 02/24/2003 11:24:43 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Pokey78
Rumsfeld has got to be laughing his ass off over this one.
254 posted on 02/24/2003 11:29:59 PM PST by nunya bidness (And if you can find lower prices anywhere my name ain't Nathan Arizona!)
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To: InvisibleChurch
sounds like they're leading michael moore around on a leash...

Yes, didn't we all hear that he was in Bagdhad serving as a model for brave white men (or was that stupid white men.. I forget).

Oh. ....ya mean he's not there with those noble human shields ?

255 posted on 02/25/2003 4:51:57 AM PST by happygrl
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To: Pokey78
What gets me is the first three words of this headline. "U.S Fears Iraq" That is the big part of the problem in my opinion. We as a country are supposed to believe that Iraq and Saddam Hussein are the epitome of evil in the world. Sorry gang, but this craphole of a country and their so called leader does not cause me to shudder with fear.
256 posted on 02/25/2003 5:08:11 AM PST by MJM59
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To: justa-hairyape
Good point.

And lot of the discussion had indicated that non-metropolitan areas are easily overlooked by radar at low elevations.

But I wonder just how much overhead motion detection or AWACS could actually solve these problems. Remember the German deployment of AWACS in the US?

257 posted on 02/25/2003 5:25:33 AM PST by flamefront
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To: justa-hairyape
For many of these UAV's there is no need to fly under the radar. Radar will not detect balsa wood, foam, or fiberglass. The engines are so small it would not show up, or they would assume it to be a bird.
258 posted on 02/25/2003 5:48:23 AM PST by ItsTheMediaStupid
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To: applemac_g4
I still maintain that THIS is one of the reasons for the delay in the Iraqi war---not that our troops aren't ready, but that Homeland Security apparently still is concerned that it isn't ready for the retaliatory strikes that will occur. I could be wrong---and hope I am---but to me this is a scarier scenario that even the idea that Bush thinks he has to "go to the UN."
259 posted on 02/25/2003 6:39:15 AM PST by LS
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To: Amerigomag
Point taken. The aerosol can only works with some agents, but now I'm splitting hairs.

Your way solves a whole bunch of problems. You don't care where the plane ends up, you don't really care much about range, and you don't have the costs or clandestine deployment problems involved.

My answer was based on Predator type UAV's. Cellphone batteries and aerosol cans won't cut it.
260 posted on 02/25/2003 8:27:47 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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