BTW, you get this nifty little sticker too,(Pictured below) if yer' nice.
That means no more pokin' sticks in anthills! :^D
BTW, email, or FReepmail me with an address.
Posted on 02/23/2003 3:28:17 AM PST by Mudboy Slim
"The A.N.S.W.E.R., my FRiends..."
(To be sung to Bob Dylan's "Blowin' In the Wind")
How many roads must a man walk down before you call him a man?
How many Dreams must each Tyrant kill before he's forced to step down?
How many lives must the Socialists kill, before RATS are forever banned?!!
The A.N.S.W.E.R, my FRiends, is Lib'ralism's DEAD!!!
The A.N.S.W.E.R. is fightin' 'gainst RATS' Spin!!
How many fears must the Networks create before RATS're squashed by the FRee?
How many years can RAT-sheeple persist that Mass-Murder's just peachy-keen?!!
How many times can RATS' Hearts trick their Heads, pretending Slick's blacker than me?!
The A.N.S.W.E.R., my FRiends, is helping FReep RATS' pigs,
The A.N.S.W.E.R. is blowin' out the Ditz's!!!!
How many times must Lib'rals be duped before they will see Slick LIES?
How many victims must one man have before the Rapist hears her cries?
How many deaths will it take 'till World knows that Central Authority is VILE?!!
The A.N.S.W.E.R., my FRiends, is Fightin' 'Gainst Left's Spin,
The A.N.S.W.E.R. is taking down Clinton/Soddim/Treason.(gettin' outta the UN?!)
Mid...MUD
See #657.
That warning's for you, too.
Only difference being?
Whenever ol' Mud grabs into our pants?
...unlike with the girls, he's after our wallet. :o)
BTW, you get this nifty little sticker too,(Pictured below) if yer' nice.
That means no more pokin' sticks in anthills! :^D
BTW, email, or FReepmail me with an address.
"When splashed across newspapers, television screens and Web sites worldwide on December 18, the nine proposals for the World Trade Center site may have looked like a brave new skyscraper world—to paraphrase the headline of December 19th’s New York Daily News—or an exhibition of architectural ego as Lisa Rochon put it in the Toronto Globe and Mail. But if people make judgements about the value of the schemes based on those skyline images, both the debate on the future of the site and the notion of what architecture can accomplish will suffer. Every project offered a rich synthetic vision. In each case, a myriad of difficult issues were dealt authoritatively and often inspirationally.
None of the designs can be counted a definitive solution. But there’s plenty here to fuel real debate at last. If you can’t get to the Winter Garden at the World Financial Center, then peruse www.renewnyc.com, which offers detailed presentations of each project.
The plan-in-a-void process that has been used to date generated a consensus around certain ideas, many of which the designers—intentionally or not—exploded as specious. Officials, for example, have planned to carve out a bit of real estate and hand it off as a defined memorial precinct that will be the subject of a competition. But some of the teams sought to incorporate a commemorative sensibility into the very fabric of the redevelopment. The team called United Architects fashioned their huge commercial tower around what would be visible from a memorial in the tower footprints. From this vantage the undulating bundled tubes appear as a single soaring form—arced in a protective gesture, like a giant cupped hand. A corresponding public space at the top of the building urges the viewer to contemplate the footprints.
A number of the projects offered several memorializing places, many of them high in towers. Some were skygardens which would not only be sites of mourning but would commemorate the tragedy within the context of the everyday life of Lower Manhattan. These approaches represented an explicit desire to avoid ghettoizing the memorial.
Most of the teams respected the footprints as memorial elements, as surviving families had requested. But this consensus may deserve reconsideration. To allow visitors to participate in the footprints as memorial space entails bringing them 70 feet below grade—and designers struggled to make this work.
Several teams, including Foster & Partners, Skidmore Owings & Merrill, Studio Libeskind, and United Architects made especially persuasive designs for a transit hub. They succeeded in uniting the awkwardly placed separate rights-of-way for two subway lines and the PATH train (which, inconveniently, interferes with the idea of leaving the south-tower footprint inviolate). In different ways, designers brought daylight to the concourses, tied them architecturally to the tower proposals, and made the experience of entering and leaving memorable—which cannot be said of the facilities they replace or the feeble intentions displayed so far by the Metropolitan Transportation Authority or the Port Authority.
One of the deepest-held assumptions about the site is that all the streets that existed prior to the trade-center construction would be restored. In fact none of the teams suggested putting back all the streets (which would be impossible should the tower footprints be reserved for a memorial). This suggests that some streets are better than others, which would not be a radical notion except where uncritical planning orthodoxy rules as it has too often in the rebuilding debate.
A number of teams showed vast raised plazas, some larger than the echoing plain that once surrounded the original towers. Prior to these designs, if anyone had said "plaza," the resounding answer would probably have been, "no way!" But each makes a much stronger case than the original. In truth, it is very difficult to make the site work without some kind of raised plaza, not only because there is a drop in grade, but because making a connection to the water—as several propose—means running the public space above West Street, the broad north-south avenue to the west of the site." [end page 1]
[begin page 2]"The skyscrapers attracted the most initial attention: for their form, their size, and their height. All overturn much conventional real-estate wisdom. The bundled-tube forms and triangulated façade treatments, for example, express methods for safely structuring tall buildings that preceded 9/11, but have rapidly advanced since.
In embracing skygardens and other forms of public space high above the ground, the teams lent their towers a civic quality that today’s cookie-cutter office-building norm utterly lacks. Skidmore Owings & Merrill’s Roger Duffy offered the interlocking gardens crowning his consortium’s nine towers as "iconic expression of the leveraging of commercial development for public benefit." Several schemes proposed naturally ventilated facades and other carbon-reducing techniques—none of which are anymore beyond European norms but are radically advanced by hidebound American standards. The extraordinary confidence expressed in the design of Foster & Partners’ tower comes out of the fact that little about it is actually new. Much of its advanced technology and inventive structure has been tested in earlier buildings done by the firm—none, sadly, in the U.S.
Can any of these ideas form the kernel of a rebuilt World Trade Center? Not according to the real-estate community. "You can’t build that stuff," one unnamed developer told New York Times writer Charles Bagli in a December 19 story. Douglas Durst, a prominent developer, said the result "will resemble the conceptual plan only in spirit." Durst is historically correct. He threw out guidelines that supposedly bound sites he developed in New York’s Times Square. (They were prepared in part by Stanton Eckstut, who has been designated by the Port Authority to make an urban-design layout out of the work presented December 18.)
But the real-estate community has offered no leadership to date in reviving lower Manhattan. It has succeeded in persuading government agencies to generously underwrite rent and tax incentives intended to lure tenants downtown. These would have the incidental effect of lining developers pockets, only so far they have largely failed. The industry has not rallied around the development of a strong business case for tenants to locate downtown, and seems unwilling to consider whether any of the seven architect’s tall-building schemes might offer templates for 21st-century tenants.
But the real-estate industry path-of-least-resistance rebuilding process will prevail without some political leadership, which has been to date sorely lacking. Governor Pataki has been reluctant to use his power to get turf-obsessed agencies to work together. Instead of uniting competing interests, Mayor Bloomberg belatedly offered his own "plan" for lower Manhattan on December 12. It freely lifted elements of work Peterson/Littenburg did for the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, for example. The architects have gone far beyond the charge given them in September (and far beyond the tiny allotted fees). They’ve supplied ideas and inspiration in abundance. How meaningful and inspiring the redevelopment can be now depends on what level of quality, public commitment, and public investment officials are willing to support."
MUD
Utmost FReegards...MUD
Just cause he longs fer' a winner, heh, heh.
I'm outta here. Take yer' cheesehead shots now Mud!
FRegards
My concept included two square-based towers standing side-by-side, with each of the twin towers extending up to about 3/4ths the height of the original structures, then both towers would shrink in footprint (still square, like the originals) to allow the interior elevators to become glass exterior elevators--think of that view--and continuing up to just above the height of the original Twin Towers' height. Then, coming out the top of one of the towers would have been another column of floors more like the Libeskind spire, still accessible with extremely high-dollar rents/sf. The most potentially-difficult part of my scheme wouldda been linking the two second-level towers with a cross-walk (aka Bridge to the 22nd Century) with a mid-air restaurant--called "Mudboy Slim's Libertarian Lounge" in the concourse--think of the view!! How that crosswalk would work with the wind loads....well, I'd need a really good structural engineer...LOL!!
Looks like the final design team has been selected, but the final design is still up fer grabs...wonder if my "good ol' buddy" Danny Libeskind is hirin'?!!
FReegards...MUD
The dreaded SatanPost...Sultan, don't tell FBD about TheRedTable, either...MUD
While it looks sorta kewl--sorta--the FLW's Guggenheim ought to be a lesson fer those providing sloped floors. I like the elevator cores providing the structure, but this would fit better in HongKong--or somewhere in the middle of nowhere where it could serve as SCULPTURE--than smack dab in the middle of Manhattan. Also, how do you deal with Handicapped Accessibility?! A sloped moving people-mover?!
One of my best friends from UVA A-school went to NYU fer grad school in the late-80's and he usedta tell stories about how silly Columbia A-school designs could get...buildability was never much of a priority.
FReegards...MUD
What fun would THAT be?! When I was about 9, we usedta have those little sweatbees that lived in the ground and I found their major hive way back in the back yard up in Northern Virginny. Got me a shovel and usedta just get the biggest kick outta buryin' the entry/exit to the underground hive, then wait fer the little RAT-ba$+ards to come out one at a time and I'd whack 'em with the shovel. Once, while I was whackin' one 2-3 sweatbees, a fourth got thru my defenses and zoomed right towards me and stung me in the face, causing my cheek to blow up almost as big as Landru's butt!! After we got back from the hospital, I went back to the hole, poured in some gasoline, then lit those RAT-ba$+ards up!!
There were NO SURVIVORS...MUD
Kudos to you, sir...FR.com's back and cookin' again!!
Thanks and FReegards...MUD
Thanks fer allowing that indulgence...sorry we didn't get thru, but I probably shouldda done it prior to the show even starting. As for you, C.L., I understand yer concerns, but I think I took the proper precautions and this is NOT something I've ever done before and NOT something I'm gonna make a habit of doing.
FReegards...MUD
BTW...no big deal, but if there is a way to keep the thread non-postable to, yet still readable (sorta like the archives prior to 9/4/01), I've linked to it in a number of locations and it might make more sense if the thread was partially-restored.
The Missuz has already met the "LocalLindy" in question...MUD
Mr. Stern's been a busy l'il beaver in Charlottesville...he understands how to modernize a historic place without losing the charm of the original structure.
"Students are deprogrammed to the point where they cannot relate to innate beauty."
Zackley!! Folks ask why I did my graduate work in Business instead of going to two more years of A-school and I tell 'em I learn a LOT more about architecture by working in the field and actually doing construction that I could ever have learned with two more years growing my school debt!!
"Richard Meier gave a lecture there and a student asked him why all his buildings were white. Meier answered that if the student had to ask, he wouldn't understand..."
How'd you know I am a Meier fan?! When I was at UVA, Jaqueline Roberts was the Dean and he used to get some great guest jurists like Tigerman and Eisenman and one time even got Philip Johnson to show up!! Well, when I was second-year--the first year we had our own studio space in the school, Mr. Johnson decides he wants to check out our design space. We were doing these projects whereby we built models of our ideal playground for children and mine was this sophomoric post-modern concept with an upside down pyramid serving as the playing surface and all these prototypical architectural elements served as the climbing apparatus. I was very proud of it at the time, and when Mr. Johnson came back to my desk after looking at everybody's projects, he said, as he pointed to my upside down pyramid, "Now THEES I Like!!"
That's sorta how I feel about yer stuff, Mia T!!
FReegards...MUD
Well a swollen puss served ya right.
Must've been one li'l psychotic brat, alright.
The swolling never did subside, did it?
Went to the tongue & then metastasized to ye ol' mouth.
Yea we know, it shows.
"...almost as big as Landru's butt!!"
HA!!
Think anyone thought that pic was really me?
Y'know you've racked up enough bad karma from screwin' with those poor bees to last a lifetime, & now? You're under the delusion you're gonna keep up your run of bad luck by starting in on me, do ya?
OKaaaa...
Well just be advised those innocent & frugal bees actually worked for a living before you entered the scene to terrorize, & ultimately, incinerate 'em.
They didn't park their dead ass(es) on the Internet.
Bad karma #s 1 *&* 2: duly noted.
Well you just lemme know anytime you're gonna be around, pal.
I wanna make damned sure I'm adequately grounded against shock from any & all errant lightning bolts intended for you.
"After we got back from the hospital, I went back to the hole, poured in some gasoline, then lit those RAT-ba$+ards up!!"
To "finish" the job, eh?
...*one* guess what'cher *next* incarnation gonna be, genius. ;^)
I have been gone all afternoon. Was this a link to a thread that has since been deleted??
And WWAAI, what was in posts XVI.615, 618, and 619??
I am the sultan, coordinator (in training) of Richmond FReeper activites.
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