[LdSentinal]

"Vive le France"?

[Cincinatus]

So I ask again: What will they say when the dungeons are opened?

The same thing they said when the Soviet Union collapsed into the dustbin of history -- nothing. No mea culpas, no apologies, no admission of being wrong. They will use 101% of their energy to "prove" that each and every atrocity was caused by "US imperialism" or "unilateral thinking" or "big oil interests."

I hope nobody on our side is holding their breath, wating for "vindication." Because you'll never get it. There's only the next battle waiting after this one.

[Hillarys Gate Cult]

What will they say when the dungeons are opened?

Not a damn thing. They'll hang their heads and say " who me ? I was all for getting rid of Saddam The whole time." In a year you'll be able to find more people who will admit they voted for Jimmy Carter ( i've only ever met one ) than were against the war. Those who are on record as antis will try and lie their way out of it by saying things like "that's not what I meant" or "that's not what I said". We now have them on tape, the web, and transcripts. All they will have for their defense are lame Democrat talking points that aren't even about the subject, their own all spin zone.

[fporretto]

Those who defend Iraq's "sovereignty" are much less concerned with the quality of its "sovereign" than they are with obstructing the United States. There's hardly a one of them who's been willing to confront the objective evidence of Saddam Hussein's atrocities. They're united in denying that his regime has any connection to Islamic terrorism, despite his unabashed announcement that he would pay blood money to the families of Palestinian "martyrs."

These people have two desires: to see the United States thwarted, and to see Israel, the only democratic state in the Middle East, fall to its Islamic enemies. They will defend any force that appears capable of helping with those aims.

Why? Pure hatred?

I've racked my brain searching for an alternative explanation. Claims that the United States is to blame for Saddam's behavior are too obviously the reflexive emissions of people who would blame us for the monsoons in India, if they could. Claims that Israel "discriminates" against the Palestinians are absurd, especially in comparison to the carnival of death the Palestinians have inflicted both on the Israelis and their own, pitifully few dissidents.

When the "reasons" advanced are of this quality, you're not dealing with reason at all. What remains to be discovered is how they came by their antipathy to the only state in history formed as a refuge for a horribly tortured people, and to the only power in the history of the world that lifts up a fallen enemy and leaves him stronger than before.

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
Visit the Palace Of Reason:
http://palaceofreason.com

[RippleFire]

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[Puddleglum]

I agree with the moral outrage of this article and wish the USA would channel the same outrage less selectively. No doubt China has weapons of mass destruction trained on us, too, and yet we do billions of dollars of busness with them. That too is wrong, I think. We should fight Iraq, but we should also give France and Germany no moral quarter, and that means we should end any of our own practices of empowering dictatorships through trade.

[palmer]

What will they say when the dungeons are opened?

Undoubtedly every jailed Iraqi criminal will be counted and double-counted as a "political" prisoner.

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

the clouds of war once again drift toward the Fertile Crescent, propelled, not impeded, by the appeasement that gives the tyrant confidence he will again survive.

[Quix]

Supposedly, they and others are too busy setting up and guarding dungeons in the USA for the next global tyranny.

And Billdo and Shrillary sped the process along wholesale . . . evidently.

But I'd better not get too long about it.

[UCFRoadWarrior]

The left will probably say: "They werent political prisoners...they were getting treated for mental health problems"

As sure as the sun comes up every day...the lefties will make up some reason...some excuse

[JZoback]

Bump

great article

[swampmonster]

There are some who have already made public spectacles of themselves in all this. Miss Germany, Jimmy Carter, Jesse Jackson, Susan Sarandon, and others. With the exception of Miss Germany, the others all have willing accomplises in the media who will do everything in their power to sweep all this under the rug. France and Russia's America hating populace will just go on believing this was all a plant by the US to cover ourselves. The Germans, Canadians, English, Americans, and all the other's protesting populace will all fall back on, "aw, it was just a fad to protest America at the time."

[ez]

UNSCR 688 (UN Resolution 688) “condemns” Saddam Hussein’s repression of the Iraqi civilian population -- “the consequences of which threaten international peace and security.” UNSCR 688 also requires Saddam Hussein to end his repression of the Iraqi people and to allow immediate access to international humanitarian organizations to help those in need of assistance.

Saddam Hussein has repeatedly violated these provisions and has: expanded his violence against women and children; continued his horrific torture and execution of innocent Iraqis; continued to violate the basic human rights of the Iraqi people and has continued to control all sources of information (including killing more than 500 journalists and other opinion leaders in the past decade).

Saddam Hussein has also harassed humanitarian aid workers; expanded his crimes against Muslims; he has withheld food from families that fail to offer their children to his regime; and he has continued to subject Iraqis to unfair imprisonment.10

REFUSAL TO ADMIT HUMAN RIGHTS MONITORS

§ The UN Commission on Human Rights and the UN General Assembly issued a report that noted "with dismay" the lack of improvement in the situation of human rights in Iraq. The report strongly criticized the "systematic, widespread, and extremely grave violations of human rights" and of international humanitarian law by the Iraqi Government, which it stated resulted in "all-pervasive repression and oppression sustained by broad-based discrimination and widespread terror." The report called on the Iraqi Government to fulfill its obligations under international human rights treaties. § Saddam Hussein has repeatedly refused visits by human rights monitors and the establishment of independent human rights organizations.

From 1992 until 2002, Saddam prevented the UN Special Rapporteur from visiting Iraq.11 § In September 2001 the Government expelled six UN humanitarian relief workers without providing any explanation.12

VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN

§ Human rights organizations and opposition groups continued to receive reports of women who suffered from severe psychological trauma after being raped by Iraqi personnel while in custody.13 § Former Mukhabarat member Khalid Al-Janabi reported that a Mukhabarat unit, the Technical Operations Directorate, used rape and sexual assault in a systematic and institutionalized manner for political purposes. The unit reportedly also videotaped the rape of female relatives of suspected oppositionists and used the videotapes for blackmail purposes and to ensure their future cooperation.§ In June 2000, a former Iraqi general reportedly received a videotape of security forces raping a female family member. He subsequently received a telephone call from an intelligence agent who stated that another female relative was being held and warned him to stop speaking out against the Iraqi Government.15

§ Iraqi security forces allegedly raped women who were captured during the Anfal Campaign and during the occupation of Kuwait. 16

§ Amnesty International reported that, in October 2000, the Iraqi Government executed dozens of women accused of prostitution.17

§ In May, the Iraqi Government reportedly tortured to death the mother of three Iraqi defectors for her children’s opposition activities.18

§ Iraqi security agents reportedly decapitated numerous women and men in front of their family members. According to Amnesty International, the victims’ heads were displayed in front of their homes for several days.

19 TORTURE § Iraqi security services routinely and systematically torture detainees. According to former prisoners, torture techniques included branding, electric shocks administered to the genitals and other areas, beating, pulling out of fingernails, burning with hot irons and blowtorches, suspension from rotating ceiling fans, dripping acid on the skin, rape, breaking of limbs, denial of food and water, extended solitary confinement in dark and extremely small compartments, and threats to rape or otherwise harm family members and relatives. Evidence of such torture often was apparent when security forces returned the mutilated bodies of torture victims to their families.20

§ According to a report received by the UN Special Rapporteur in 1998, hundreds of Kurds and other detainees have been held without charge for close to two decades in extremely harsh conditions, and many of them have been used as subjects in Iraq’s illegal experimental chemical and biological weapons programs.21

§ In 2000, the authorities reportedly introduced tongue amputation as a punishment for persons who criticize Saddam Hussein or his family, and on July 17, government authorities reportedly amputated the tongue of a person who allegedly criticized Saddam Hussein. Authorities reportedly performed the amputation in front of a large crowd. Similar tongue amputations also reportedly occurred.22

[joesnuffy]

Will the commie media whores even acknowlege that "they were wrong on Iraq and Islamic terrorism"? doubtfull

Anything we do find...any incrimnation of the Euro trash variety...will it be denied as a plot of The Bush Administration to justify going after more terrorists....and of course oil?

Cant imagine the truth ever shutting these bastardos up

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

France and Germany, just to name two, have decided that under no circumstances can there be any justification for an American led attack on Saddam and his cruel henchmen.

Gee whiz...I wonder why France is so gung ho in the cause of Iraq??

Sadaam in France 1975 - Far right, then PM Chirac

The results of France's last bout with shortsightedness concerning Iraq:

The Tammuz1 nuclear reactor BEFORE Sadaam threatened to destroy Israel

The Tammuz1 nuclear reactor AFTER

George W. Bush to the children of Ilan Ramon, "Your father started the job...I will finish it."

[marty60]

I don't care what they have to say except in front of a War Crimes Tribunal. Putin, Chirac, et al, can defend themselves just like Himmler, Goebbels etc, did during the Nuremberg Trials.

[McGavin999]

I love good writing. I thought skills like this were long lost.

[mitchbert]

BTT

[mitchbert]

Thanks for posting this. If you weren't aware, it started life as a vanity thread here two weeks ago. It's also been published on www.efreedomnews.com.

I love this place :-)

[sam_paine]

I admit I quit reading this after the author spelled "its" wrong.