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To: Stavka2
Funny, an interpretor of mine, a former Yugoslav airforce cadet and former Bosniak infantry 1st LT told me all about how they fought. About how all Bosnian men were taken from their shops and farms, given an AK with a magazine of 10 rounds...if they hit once they were ready for the front. Then they gathered up in groups of 400-500 against entrenched Serbs...stood, yhelled Allah Akbar and body waved...but I'm sure you'll call that Serb massacres

No. I'd call that civil war in practice. (A friend of mine who is a military historian says he won't touch the US Civil War because 'it was all amateurs and dilletantes.' Thus so. The war you just described is war as it has been traditionally fought through the centuries: round up a bunch of guys, give them pikes (or in the modern day AK47s), and tell them 'the front is that way comrade'. Think of it as War On The Cheap.

...what ever. Most of the Sebrenici dead where shown to have bullet holes in the front from distances not point blank...might as well accuse the Germans of mass murderer at Verdun.

You're partly right. I heard a presentation from an ICTY guy who said that about 1500 of the 8000 Sreb dead were considered "legitimate combat casualties," in that they were technically fleeing at the time they were shot rather than captured, and thus outside the purview of the Court. War happens. But the rest? The ones hat were captured? Check the ICTY web site for the judgment on Krstic: http://www.un.org/icty/krstic/TrialC1/judgement/index.htm.

But the Sreb dead were definitely forensically proven to be Bosniac/Muslims from their IDs and pocket litter etc. No question of them being Serbs.

Of course, if you don't accept the ICTY as having any validity at all, then there's no point arguing.

242 posted on 02/24/2003 6:52:37 PM PST by homeagain balkansvet ((setting the record REALLY straight))
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To: homeagain balkansvet
Yes, the ICTY, the organization that will not touch Oric, even when there are tons of tapes of him beheading people, yup, now that's a good source for morality. The same organization that won't touch Croatia for Operation Storm and the slaughter of Krayena Serbs, please, why don't you just give the UN the morality defense?
245 posted on 02/24/2003 8:23:07 PM PST by Stavka2 (Setting the record straight.)
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To: homeagain balkansvet
Your 1500 number is accurate for the total dead, but the 8K is wrong and will be wrong forever. The majority of those deaths were attributed to Oric's brutality courtesy of the M.E Jihad that were attached to his group.

You were there way too late to find out what happened. You, as JAG, theorize to what transpired and can only assume.

The ICTY only pushes their own agenda, who in part are funded by the US. Therefore, they push the US agenda. Why do you assume they are always right and all the ones that are Pro-Serb or one that sides with the Serbs are chocked full of propoganda or lies? It has been clearly shown the past twelve years the lies exhibited and demonstrated by the Muslims and NATO/US.

249 posted on 02/24/2003 9:54:38 PM PST by smokegenerator (www.pedalinpeace.org ---- Serbian Cycling Challenge for the Children of Serbia)
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To: homeagain balkansvet; Voronin; Destro; kosta50
But the Sreb dead were definitely forensically proven to be Bosniac/Muslims from their IDs and pocket litter etc. No question of them being Serbs

pretty naive aren't we........wasn't it David Rohde who 'found' those ID's.........Daivd Rodhe is clearly self interested in protecting his Pulitzer. He doesn't want to be yet another journalist who has to return the Prize for fabricating a news story.

Deny, deny , the HumWarrios continue to deny over and over again the facts....which show the Liberation of Srebrenica nothing more than the collapse of the entire 28th BiH division in the face of incursion by a few platoons of BSA infantry backed by a beat up T-54/55.

The fact that the vast majority of trhe 28th BiH were able to make their way back to Tuzla indicate a supreme failure on the part of the BSA.

My own military would have utterly annhilated the 28th BiH. The US wouldn't have let 10,000 enemy soldiers slip through. Compare the sloppy after action performance of the BSA vs. the 28th BiH with that of the US 25th under Gen MacCafferty disappearing 3 Iraqi armoured divisions

Face it, the HumWarriors and Iztbegovic had to spin the story in order to cover up the failure of Oric and his 10,000 soliders.

BTW...........one should be extremly careful citing the UN Tribunal Krstic judgement.

The UN defined Command Responsibilty in Krstic such a way that makes it certain that eventually US officers serving in Kfor can be held to account for murders committed by the KLA/KPC.

US military law is quite clear on the subject also. Please see USFM 27-10 Chapter 6, para 366.

But, that was always the long term strategy of the liberal Humwarriors, wasn't to use the ICTY, UN, to bring down the US Military. In a few years, the HumWarriors will be citing Krstic and using it to condem US citizens.

275 posted on 02/25/2003 9:21:48 AM PST by vooch
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To: homeagain balkansvet
homeagain balkansvet wrote:
"You're partly right. I heard a presentation from an ICTY guy who said that about 1500 of the 8000 Sreb dead were considered "legitimate combat casualties," in that they were technically fleeing at the time they were shot rather than captured, and thus outside the purview of the Court. War happens. But the rest? The ones hat were captured? Check the ICTY web site for the judgment on Krstic: http://www.un.org/icty/krstic/TrialC1/judgement/index.htm."

Check the Realitiy homeagain balkansvet:

Srebrenica (and areas around that were a grave of over 1000 Serb civilians in 1992):

"[...] Lt. Col. Gary Coward, a U.N. spokesman in Sarajevo, confirmed that Muslim-led government troops had used the "safe area" to make attacks on Serbs surrounding the enclave, but said the raids were not large-scale [...]"
Associated Press, July 11, 1995.

"[...] Srebrenica was officially demilitarized on April 17, 1993, but the government soldiers were not short of weapons. Before the Serb advance on the town, the Muslims had been shelling Serb units along the main road to the south. The intelligence sources said it was that harassment which precipitated the Serb attack on the 1,500 Muslim defenders inside the enclave [...]"
The Times, "Muslim soldiers 'failed to defend town from Serbs'", 14 July, 1995.

"[...] Dutch UN peacekeepers formed a barrier of personnel carriers between advancing Serb tanks and Muslim soldiers defending the town. One of the personnel carriers rolled off the road as it manoeuvred after Muslim forces opened up on it with a grenade and small arms. When another carrier tried to pull it back on to the road, a Muslim soldier of the Bosnian army fired an anti-tank rocket at it, but missed [...]"
The Electronic Telegraph, World News, July 11, 1995.

Again the Times:

"The abandonment of Srebrenica to a relatively small Serb advancing force caused surprise in the West, especially after the largely Muslim government army had demonstrated considerable infantry skills in recent attacks. There were reports that up to 1,500 Serbs were involved in the assault on Srebrenica, but intelligence sources estimated a force of about 200, with five tanks carried out the main attack. "It was a pretty low-level operation, but for some reason which we can't understand the BiH (government) soldiers didn't put up much of a fight," one source said [...]"
The Times, "Muslim soldiers 'failed to defend town from Serbs'", 14 July, 1995.

I am anxious to get to know how homeagain balkansvet will now fabricate a Islamist Silajdzic and Izetbegovic massacre of Mujahedeens.

Karadjordje

312 posted on 02/25/2003 4:49:59 PM PST by Karadjordje
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