Serbian Orthodox suffer since the United Nations took control of Kosovo

Evangelical Times ^ | 02/21/03 | Evangelical Times, UK

[Destro]

Serbian Orthodox suffer

At least 110 Serb Christian sites (churches, monasteries, graveyards etc.) have been damaged or destroyed in Kosovo since the United Nations took control in June 1999.

Most recently, a church building in the village of Ljubovo was completely destroyed by an explosion in the early hours of 17 November last.

A second explosion damaged another church in the town of Djurakovac. The bombings came on the eve of a visit to Kosovo by UN General Secretary Kofi Annan.

Church leaders and Orthodox worshippers also face violence and hostility from ethnic Albanians, especially where UN checkpoints in the vicinity of churches have been withdrawn in recent months.

Ethnic Albanian Muslim extremists regard churches as symbols of Serbian domination and see them as legitimate targets.

[Karadjordje]

You are a Muslim Jihad Nazi, because you never accused the Genozid on Roma in the Serbian Province Kosovo and Metohia committed by Fascist Albanian neo Ballists und SS Skanderbegs.

Karadjordje

[Stavka2]

Yup, like those 100,000 or was it 100 million dead Albanians?

[Stavka2]

That's funny, because there was almost no fighting in Tuzla, except for one short probe by Serb forces. After that the city was left alone...so where were these massacres from? Outside the city, Serb side, there are only destroyed Serb villages and the few Musli buildings that were destroyed were being rebuilt in '97. There is even a Russian post beside a Tuzla Musli suburb...where there was absolutely no battle damage. We cross trained with that unit often and did joint patrols with them....so where are the dead? The only base built into the side of any mountains in Tuzla are weapon storage facilities...and I personally inspected all of them as part of my unit. So keep trying.

[Stavka2]

Funny, an interpretor of mine, a former Yugoslav airforce cadet and former Bosniak infantry 1st LT told me all about how they fought. About how all Bosnian men were taken from their shops and farms, given an AK with a magazine of 10 rounds...if they hit once they were ready for the front. Then they gathered up in groups of 400-500 against entrenched Serbs...stood, yhelled Allah Akbar and body waved...but I'm sure you'll call that Serb massacres...what ever. Most of the Sebrenici dead where shown to have bullet holes in the front from distances not point blank...might as well accuse the Germans of mass murderer at Verdun.

[Stavka2]

Yup, well I did see things for quite some time...what year were you there to see all this, because by the time I left, there were no new bodies being dug up and there was none of these super morgues of yours and that was 1997. So what year were you there?

[MSCASEY]

Wasn't Clinton awarded the Charlemagne award for what he did over there?

[Voronin]

LOL! What a thread. Our new poster seems to suffer from what he accuses others! JAG mein arsch!

VRN

[smokegenerator]

homeagain balkansvet wrote:
I've spoken what I've seen with my own eyes. If you want to discuss with me in private, send me an Email. Those with eyes to see and ears to hear will know the truth

Where or what would you like to discuss? Gorazde - Srebrenica - Sarajevo region?
You have made a choice, and you only have two options. Avoid or confront, which is it?

[vooch]

Fact is that since the Clinton's liberal HumWarriors kicked the government out of Kosovo and Metohija, the civilian murder rate has risen fourfold

In the year prior to Clinton's bombing some 250 civilians died (most were Albanians at the hand of the KLA)

After Clinton's bonbing stopped more than 1,000 civilians have been murdered every year. ( again most were Albanians killed by their KLA/KPC bethren )

If the HumWarrior POV were legit, then the civilian murder rate would have dropped after June 1999, instead it skyrocketed. More Albanian civilians have been murdered under Kfor's watch than before, plain and simple.

[vooch]

Re......your Srebrenica article

It is interesting that the liberal HumWarriors always return to the Liberation of Srebrenica when confronted with the harsh reality of their pro-Iztbegovic stance.

And the HumWarriors always use the racist hate mongering tone in their articles when discussing the Liberation of Srebrenica. But the facts regarding Srebenica have been long out.

And those facts contradict the wild and crazy HumWarrior tale of conspircy, moving bodies, coded telephone calls, secret messages, private handshakes, and intrigue worthy of s BBC Mystery TV series.

Curious that the HumWarriors cling to their version of events in Srebrenica despite the mountains of evidence which tell us they are dead wrong. Every time another piece fo evidence is uncovered which contradicts the HumWarriors, they have to add another conpsircy, another plot twist, another bit of far-fetched mystery in order to make the facts fit their story

Here are the facts taken striaght from the article Bosnian DNA Labs Trying to End Search for the missing and the ICTY

1,780 bodies found........via article

at least 600 of those found were members of the 28th BiH killed in a fair fight We don't know how many of the rest were soldiers of the 28th BiH, because the forensic reports are kept under lock and key.........ICTY expert testimony in Krstic hearing

168 identified using DNA.........via artcile

21,000 samples taken.........via article

Now after 7 years of searching, 5 years of trying to id the bodies, doesn't it strike one as odd that they haven't id'd more bodies ? In all the rest of the Bosnian and Kosovo mass graves the forensic experts quickly are able to id 75% - 80% of thye bodies

Yet the Iztbegovic-Dole DNA analysis comes up with a 9% id rate. Hmmmmmm could it be that the 1,180 bodies not id'd are victims of Nasir Oric's exections squads ?

After all the other bodies were found in mass graves exactly were Nasir Oric's execution squads operated. These bodeis were not found where the HumWarriors tell us BSA units shot Bosnian POW's.

Hmmmm........could it be that those much publicized photos of bodies with their hands tied behind their back are actually those of victims of Nasir Oric ?

They haven't been id'd because perhaps the 21,000 DNA samples taken to find a positive match have been taken only from pro-Iztbegovic people in Tuzla. The DNA samples pointedly haven't been taken from the very villagers in whose villages the bodies were found.

It simply boggles the mind that anyone would still cling to the wild and contradictory conspricy tale told by the Iztbegovic regime regarding the Liberation of Srebrenica.

[Karadjordje]

homeagain balkansvet wrote:
"Be glad there wasn't, or the entire wartime leadership of Srpska would be in the Hague now. As opposed to half. "

Nazi German SS Divisions, Nazi Croatian Ustasha Divisions, Nazi Bosnian SS Divisions, Nazi Albanian SS Divisions and Albanian Nazi Fascist Ballisti Units exterminated 1,300,000 Yugoslavs in WW2. Yugoslavia had in percentage view, after Poland, the most civilian casualties in WW2. In addition, 300,000 Yugoslav soldiers lost their lifes in battles against the Fascism and Nazism. (Urlanis, Boris, Wars and Population (1971); Encyclopaedia Britannica, 15th edition, 1992; Davies, Norman, Europe A History (1998))

And I haven't mentioned WW1.

This terrible experiences burnt in the brains of the Serbian people - don't tell the Serbs what Fascism or what Nazism is, they payed a expensive toll to find this out, my dear Jihad Mujahedeen SS Nazi.

SERBIAN CASUALTIES IN THE 20TH CENTURY (<- click)

Karadjordje

[smokegenerator]

vooch wrote:
Hmmmm........could it be that those much publicized photos of bodies with their hands tied behind their back are actually those of victims of Nasir Oric ?

Vooch- the Muslimani had a nasty habit of tying up their victims to torture or "burn to a stake" (figure of speech) prior to killing them. Regarding Oric, that fits his outfits M.O and the jihadians who were brought in from the Middle East.
Tie, Torture and Tap

[Karadjordje]

thanx for this interesting info. I'm sure homeagain balkansvet will read it with interest, i hope.

Karadjordje

[smokegenerator]

I would like to ask homeagain why the Muslim Army employed old grandmothers, which stara would have a hand grenade to blow the Serbs up when they entered the house they were searching for Jihad terrorists.

[Karadjordje]

smokegenerator wrote:
"Vooch- the Muslimani had a nasty habit of tying up their victims to torture or "burn to a stake" (figure of speech) prior to killing them. Regarding Oric, that fits his outfits M.O and the jihadians who were brought in from the Middle East.
Tie, Torture and Tap "

But homeagain balkansvet explained us, that therer is no evidence of that?

Serbian testimonies on war crimes in and around Srebrenica (<- click)

Karadjordje

[Karadjordje]

You mean they were searching this guys:

Mujaahid Abu 'Abd ul-Azeez 'Barbaros'

~ Bosnia ~ An Interview with Mujaahid Abu 'Abd ul-Azeez 'Barbaros' (<- click)

Karadjordje

[Karadjordje]

Last link was from an Islamistic site.

Karadjordje

[bridging up]

What are you talking about?

[Stavka2]

When I was in Bosnia, we had to keep tabs on Oric and bunch, who were living just on the outskirts of Tuzla, but we weren't allowed to do anything...since he was one of the "good" guys. I see, under Bush, nothing has changed. Bush should have followed his father's example on this one...to bad he didn't.

[Karadjordje]

U.N. court upholds war-crime convictions

3 Bosnians guilty of torturing and killing Serb prisoners

Wednesday, February 21, 2001

By JEROME SOCOLOVSKY
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

THE HAGUE, Netherlands -- U.N. judges yesterday upheld the convictions of two Bosnian Muslims and a Bosnian Croat for the torture and murder of Serb prisoners during the 1992-95 ethnic conflict in former Yugoslavia.

The five-judge appellate panel led by David Hunt of Australia, however, quashed several other counts against the defendants and ordered the case referred to a new court to review their sentences.

No date was given for a further hearing of the case, which has dragged on since 1997 at the International Criminal Tribunal.

Zdravko Mucic, Hazim Delic, and Esad Landzo sat still between U.N. guards in the high-security courtroom as Hunt announced the decision. Mucic, the Bosnian Croat defendant, smiled and adjusted a chunky wooden crucifix on his chest.

The defendants were sent back to a U.N. detention center in The Hague "until further orders," the ruling said.

The so-called Celebici trial -- named for the camp in central Bosnia where the atrocities took place in 1992 -- is the only case before the tribunal involving crimes committed against ethnic Serbs.

On Nov. 16, 1998, a three-judge court at the tribunal convicted the three defendants of murder, torture and rape. They were sentenced to up to 20 years in prison.

The defendants, arguing they did not have formal authority over subordinates, said in their appeal that events at the camp occurred among local Bosnians of different ethnic backgrounds.

"A position of de facto command may be sufficient to establish the necessary superior-subordinate relationship," the appellate panel said yesterday in upholding the initial Celebici decision.

In a setback for the prosecution, however, the appeals chamber upheld the acquittal of a fourth defendant, Zejnil Delalic, a Muslim military commander.

Delalic had been accused of having overall control of the camp. The trial judges had said there was not enough evidence to link him to the atrocities.

The appellate case was a potentially embarrassing one for the tribunal: Grounds for appeal included the allegation that the Nigerian presiding judge in the original trial, Adolphus Karibi-Whyte, "was asleep during substantial portions of the trial," occasionally even snoring.

But the appellate judges rejected those grounds, saying they had "not been satisfied that any specific prejudice was suffered by ... the appellants." Karibi- Whyte's term was not renewed and he returned to Nigeria after the verdict.

Although yesterday's complex and technical judgment may have limited consequences for the defendants, it is likely to have broad ramifications for trials of political leaders charged with ordering mass atrocities.

That issue will be crucial in the cases of several Bosnian Serb leaders in custody and in particular if former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic and other top suspects are ever taken into custody.

Source: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/bosnia21.shtml (<- click)

Karadjordje