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Scruffy little weed shows Darwin was right as evolution moves on
Times Online | 2003-02-20 | Anthony Browne, Environment Editor

Posted on 02/20/2003 2:30:45 PM PST by Junior

IT STARTED with a biologist sitting on a grassy river bank in York, eating a sandwich. It ended in the discovery of a “scruffy little weed with no distinguishing features” that is the first new species to have been naturally created in Britain for more than 50 years.

The discovery of the York groundsel shows that species are created as well as made extinct, and that Charles Darwin was right and the Creationists are wrong. But the fragile existence of the species could soon be ended by the weedkillers of York City Council’s gardeners.

Richard Abbott, a plant evolutionary biologist from St Andrews University, has discovered “evolution in action” after noticing the lone, strange-looking and uncatalogued plant in wasteland next to the York railway station car park in 1979. He did not realise its significance and paid little attention. But in 1991 he returned to York, ate his sandwich and noticed that the plant had spread.

Yesterday, Dr Abbott published extensive research proving with DNA analysis that it is the first new species to have evolved naturally in Britain in the past 50 years.

“I’ve been a plant evolutionary biologist all my life, but you don’t think you’ll come across the origin of a new species in your lifetime. We’ve caught the species as it has originated — it is very satisfying,” he told the Times. “At a time in Earth’s history when animal and plant species are becoming extinct at an alarming rate, the discovery of the origin of a new plant species in Britain calls for a celebration.”

The creation of new species can takes thousands of years, making it too slow for science to detect. But the York groundsel is a natural hybrid between the common groundsel and the Oxford ragwort, which was introduced to Britain from Sicily 300 years ago. Hybrids are normally sterile, and cannot breed and die out.

But Dr Abbott’s research, published in the journal of the Botanical Society of the British Isles, shows that the York Groundsel is a genetic mutant that can breed, but not with any other species, including its parent species. It thus fits the scientific definition of a separate species.

“It is a very rare event — it is only known to have happened five times in the last hundred years” Dr Abbott said. It has happened twice before in the UK — the Spartina anglica was discovered in Southampton 100 years ago, and the Welsh groundsel, discovered in 1948.

The weed sets seed three months after germinating and has little yellow flowers. The species, which came into existance about 30 years ago, has been called Senecio eboracensis, after Eboracum, the Roman name for York. According to the research, it has now spread to spread to several sites around York, but only ever as a weed on disturbed ground.

However, more than 90 per cent of species that have lived subsequently become extinct, and its future is by no means certain.

“It is important for it to build up its numbers rapidly, or it could get rubbed out — which would be sad. The biggest threat to the new species is the weedkillers from the council,” Dr Abbott said.

However, he does not plan to start a planting programme to ensure his discovery lives on. “The next few years will be critical as to whether it becomes an established part of the British flora or a temporary curiosity. But we will let nature take its course,” he said.


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To: FourtySeven
An excellent post, thanks! This is one for the Bookmarks!

Not to appear too stupid, but I haven't seen the bookmark link for some time. My old bookmarks continue to show up on my personal page, but how do you add to them?

221 posted on 02/21/2003 12:16:36 PM PST by js1138
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To: js1138
Nevermind. I found the link, but didn't it use to appear in a more convenient location?
222 posted on 02/21/2003 12:18:59 PM PST by js1138
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To: Ichneumon
and all you weak wittle weed huggers are right. RIGHT!
223 posted on 02/21/2003 12:19:38 PM PST by DeathfromBelow
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To: walkingdead
Only your dentist says you don't need them. They are still there until pulled. So how does your orthodonist's opinion prove evolution. Teeth. Puuuuufffffff
224 posted on 02/21/2003 12:21:45 PM PST by DeathfromBelow
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To: js1138
Nevermind. I found the link, but didn't it use to appear in a more convenient location?

I believe you're right! Actually, I'm glad to hear (see) someone else say this, because I could have sworn that was the case too! I think it used to be right along around where the title of the post is, with the Browse, Search, Topics, Post Article and My Comments links are. I THINK.......I really can't remember. Of course, I could just be imagining things......but TWO people, imagining the same thing? hehe .......

225 posted on 02/21/2003 12:29:54 PM PST by FourtySeven
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To: FourtySeven
......but TWO people, imagining the same thing? hehe .......

spooky.

226 posted on 02/21/2003 12:42:00 PM PST by js1138
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To: Ichneumon
inn ...

More to the point, "how come" you keep saying this even though I've already (on other threads) pointed you to precambrian fossils (including some you can buy from a catalog)?


fC ...

The geolgic column proves a much younger earth.

There are no precambrian fossils --- how come === besides worms // shells ? ? ?
227 posted on 02/21/2003 12:47:44 PM PST by f.Christian (( + God *IS* Truth - love * SCIENCE* // trust -- *logic* *SANITY* Awakening + ))
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To: balrog666

That's where faith comes in, but one thing is certain.. Balrog666's definition of "morality" is of no more importance and can be as easily rejected as my own can..

If it doesn't come from God, then it comes from men.. And if it comes from men then it's nothing more than an opinion.

Then we start playing games like:

Who's to say that the big and strong hurting the frail and weak is "immoral" Hey, that's just some man's opinion..

228 posted on 02/21/2003 12:52:47 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Jhoffa_X)
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To: laredo44

Depends on which man is defining "moral" now doesn't it?

You assume murder to be an "immoral" act. Who says that is true?

229 posted on 02/21/2003 12:54:16 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Jhoffa_X)
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To: Jhoffa_
If it doesn't come from God, then it comes from men.. And if it comes from men then it's nothing more than an opinion.

But isn't only some men's opinion that "it" comes from God (or at least one of them.)

230 posted on 02/21/2003 1:02:20 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Jhoffa_
Much more dangerous to claim that morality comes dorectly from God. Then you get people killing each other over it's acceptable to pray while in the crapper. Even among people who claim to believe in the same God there are so many opinions and so many willing to kill to enforce their opinions.
231 posted on 02/21/2003 1:06:17 PM PST by js1138
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To: laredo44
no, the article said it was a hybrid. thats not exactly new
232 posted on 02/21/2003 1:10:34 PM PST by CaptainJustice (Get RIGHT or get left.)
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To: CaptainJustice
please -- please .. .. .. you're taking these evo whack // nuts === over seriously !
233 posted on 02/21/2003 1:13:50 PM PST by f.Christian (( + God *IS* Truth - love * SCIENCE* // trust -- *logic* *SANITY* Awakening + ))
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To: Doctor Stochastic

Yes, and thus the diversity in religion (so many "God's") either means:

1) Some of these men must be wrong.

OR

2) There is no definitive answer to the question of "What's moral, what's good, what's right and what's wrong..?"

You see, apart from God breathing it himself, there is no "morality"

234 posted on 02/21/2003 1:15:54 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Jhoffa_X)
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To: js1138

Perhaps it is dangerous, but that's the only place it can come from.

If it comes from men, we are left with nothing more than an opinion.. which can be wrong.

If it comes from society, well.. they are nothing more than groups of men and they can be wrong. If it comes from philosophers, they are men also..

You see where this is heading?

235 posted on 02/21/2003 1:17:47 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Jhoffa_X)
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To: Jhoffa_
Ask an evolutionist about God and they will bring you their refrigerator decorations !
236 posted on 02/21/2003 1:20:45 PM PST by f.Christian (( + God *IS* Truth - love * SCIENCE* // trust -- *logic* *SANITY* Awakening + ))
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To: William Terrell
But don't you agree that for one animal, for instance, to evolve into a different animal, it must have left a lot of fossils of partial formation of structures on the way to the target form?

Evolution has no ‘Target’… Life is a big ‘super-store’ - Kinda' like:

Always Low Prices!

Just like your local Wal-Mart store, evolution passes even more materialistic nonsense on to you by lowering our Every Day Low Quality of Life whenever we can. Check out the great lack of values in regards to life for your home! Each time you see the Rollback smiley face, you'll smile, too.

237 posted on 02/21/2003 1:21:40 PM PST by Heartlander
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To: f.Christian

I think that's insightful, but I am not sure how exactly..

238 posted on 02/21/2003 1:22:10 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Jhoffa_X)
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To: Heartlander
The evolution gene --- rubber suspenders ... pants around their ankles !
239 posted on 02/21/2003 1:23:16 PM PST by f.Christian (( + God *IS* Truth - love * SCIENCE* // trust -- *logic* *SANITY* Awakening + ))
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To: Jhoffa_
Yes I see where it is headed. It is a very difficult problem, but less so than dealing with people who believe their personal opinions are those of God. You will never convince everyone that your opinions are the same as God's, so you will be in constant warfare forever.
240 posted on 02/21/2003 1:25:30 PM PST by js1138
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