'She told us it was a lovely day - then she was hit by the train'

icNorthWales.com ^ | 2.18.03 | Hugo Duncan

[cyborg]

I didn't watch the whole movie through. However, I do know that he did that because his wife painted and he said heaven would be to be in one of her paintings. boo hoo... anyway the movie is too sad to watch. I know his children come back as Cuba Gooding, Jr. and a Chinese fellow. Very interesting. Him and his wife get another chance at life or something.

The photography was EXCELLENT.

[photogirl]

I feel for you. I had a childhood friend shoot herself at the age of 23. It was one of the hardest things I've ever been through. The worst was seeing her mother, who broke down whenever she saw one of her friends, I had no idea what to say to her. I am truly sorry.

[Cvengr]

1."I'm going through the stages of grief, that's all, complicated by the rage I feel ..."

2. "I'm sorry if the way I feel about my friend's suicide is hurtful to you..."

3. "Curiously, when I'm NOT that depressed, I can't really relate to it. Isn't that odd? "

Maybe that first statement in point 3 is a hint. Place your focus on Him first, rather than self, emotions, or feelings. Place no other gods before Him,...including feelings, self or emotion. This doesn't condemn feelings, emotion or self,..it merely keeps them in proper perspective.

Also, knock off this self-defeatism attitutde of how much guilt a suicide might place on others. That doesn't worship God,...that places somebody who rejected God ahead of God and His plan.

PS,...if you're waiting, maybe that's also a hint you need to figure this one out without me, but only between you and Him (God).

[dark_lord]

Suicide is a bad idea. People think it gets them out a difficult situation. Physical pain, yes. Emotional pain, no. Ahem...let's just say that without the body to act as a buffer or filter...the emotional pain is worse. As an analogy - if you have ever had the flu and felt like s**t, and just wanted it to end and it didn't, of course, and it just dragged on and on and on - well, that's something like what it feels like after death by suicide.

However, that burning in eternal flame stuff...no. Eternal does not mean forever. It is eternal while it is being suffered, but the suffering is not forever. Words are tricky, language is imprecise, and were are not talking about the 3D universe timestream here. And flame it isn't. That's symbolism and metaphor. But it is quite unpleasant and strongly not recommended. (For any atheist or agnostic types out there, feel free to believe I don't know what the heck I am talking about.)

[ChemistCat]

That is really obnoxious. Physician, heal thyself. Please do not address me again.

[sonserae]

All that you say is true. If I weren't a Christian, I probably wouldn't be here today. But even Jesus was in the depths of sadness at times...and even Jesus felt that all deserted Him. The feelings are normal....My only hope sometimes is standing on the promises of Christ my King. It's a lonely place here in Hollywood for a Christian.

[Erasmus]

At least she went out in....

ahh.....

never mind.

[Aracelis]

I would like to extend my heartfelt sympathies to you too. I am terribly sorry.

[Rain-maker]

 

 

 

Take the last train to Clarksville,
Now I must hang up the phone.
I can't hear you in this noisy
Railroad station all alone.
I'm feelin' low. Oh, no, no, no!
Oh, no, no, no!
And I don't know if I'm ever coming home.

[ChemistCat]

Thanks so much. I do feel better. But then, I'm not having to live with it. The widow & children have decades of pain ahead of them.

[GWfan]

A few verses for you...

The righteous cry, and the Lord heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles. Psalm 34:17

But they that wait on the Lord shall renew their strength;they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint. Isaiah 40:31

Please also get someone you can talk to, this seems simple, but may help. I am not a counselor, but this would be my choice if I was depressed. I do not have depression problems, but I do know what it feels like when you think you are about to die....and it is very scary even if you have the Lord. I have had anaphylaxis a few times, it is horrifying.

[sonserae]

thank you for your encouraging words...
I really appreciate them.

[ChemistCat]

So many people I know are depressed right now. I think our nervous systems are just overwhelmed with all that's going on, in our lives and in the big picture, maybe? I think a day of total R&R combined with prayer and no-news might be called for, what do you think? There's little we can do about most of the things that worry us.

OKC has a massage academy. You can get a half-hour massage for around $24 and an hour for $36, if I don't misremember. The kind of massage you get is different every time because STUDENTS are doing it, so one time one ends up with a thorough deep-muscle massage, another time just a relaxing one, but it's a good safe place and so relaxing. Maybe there's something like that near you? Or maybe you can find some way to get some hot tub time. I always feel like a new person at the beach...no matter what the season.

Short of winning the lottery or being cured of what ails you, it's a small help within our reach.

[Devil_Anse]

This just in: "The woman was identified as Anna Karenina, formerly of Moscow. It was reported that she had been despondent over her divorce and custody issues."

[ChemistCat]

I was angry, when I wrote that stuff above...angry that someone hadn't given me a chance to help. I've since learned (the hard way) that if I had had a chance, I would not have been any help anyway. No counsel, however wise, can fix someone else's neurochemistry dysfunction. Sometimes there is comfort in learning that one has no power after all. Where there is no power, there can be no authentic guilt. I was angry because I felt guilty; now I know better...but the lesson hurt almost as much as the initial loss.

I'm not angry at Dennis anymore, TILH, and I'm posting this because there may be some people angry with you, and maybe it'll help them to know that that stage does ease. I'm actually still angry only at Lucianne and another couple of forums who immediately erased all of Dennis's posts, so it's like he never did exist. He's gone from the internet. Even his obituary is gone. I know that the Robinsons don't play those games. Jim's not so afraid of being sued that he'll erase TILH's posts and expunge our community of his memory. That hurts a lot that it was done to Dennis.

I didn't really know you, TILH, though I've seen you post a few times. Wherever you are, I hope there is no more sadness, not even a little, not a tiny bit of loneliness, not a hint of isolation; not even regret that you leave sadness, loneliness, isolation behind...though, I wonder how a kind person could not regret that, once the immediate pain is gone? Well, that eternal perspective is yours. Maybe you can manage it, maybe God's power covers that anyway.

But I'll be honest--if I believed that all mortal pain is left behind in this life for everyone, no matter how they chose to live and leave this life, I wouldn't be here ten more minutes. Who would make it through any crisis if suicide was truly painless and there was no threat of greater misery behind it? I hope for you, but I do not know what you know. You know if that hope is futile. I hope you didn't make a bad choice. You already know.

Some choices cannot be unmade. I hope you do not rue yours, and pray for blessings of comfort for your family. More than that I still cannot do for anyone...some griefs stay open, ulcerated sores, hard to ignore, impossible to heal--I think--for a lifetime.

I wrote this to you. Anybody else reading this can read it and move on and not bother hitting reply. I will not read any flames to me on this subject...period. This one time I do not want to communicate with the living. I'm writing this to you and to anyone who might benefit--but it's read-only.

...and I especially won't read anything L. might have to say to me on this subject, in whatever new name he might be using for himself. EOM.

[ChemistCat]

I should have included you in the above ping. Thank you for your kindness.

[DLfromthedesert]

My heart aches for that young man. The ones who are really selfish are those that take others with them; like a young physician in town who was having marital problems. He killed his wife, and himself, and his 2 young children found them when they returned from school.

[The Mayor]

OMG

[76834]

Suicide by train, which from reading thru the thread I assume it is, is not unusual.
Suicide by cop happens a lot too.

Prayers for her family and and especially for the locomotive crew.
Suicide is a permanent solution for a temporary problem but it sure leaves a lot of hurt behind.