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Posted on 02/17/2003 9:27:11 PM PST by TLBSHOW
Who's with President Bush?
President Bush has characterized the choice to be made in this war on terror: "Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists." The stark clarity of this binary decision has served the United States well in marshaling a large number of nations in the fight against al Qaeda and a smaller, but still ample, number for the next phase of this war: the liberation of Iraq.
Regrettably, in the months since September 11, 2001, people who have made no secret of their sympathy for terrorists, provided them financial support, excused their murderous attacks and/or sought to impede the prosecution of the war against them have repeatedly been put in the company of the President. In other words, individuals and organizations who appear to be "with the terrorists" have time and again been allowed to be with the President in the White House and elsewhere.
For example: o On September 20, 2001 -- just nine days after the deadly attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon -- Shaykh Hamza Yusuf was the Muslim representative in a small ecumenical gathering held in the Oval Office.
At the same time, FBI agents were trying to interview him at his house in California since he had declared two days before the attack: "This country is facing a terrible fate....This country stands condemned. It stands condemned like Europe stood condemned because of what it did -- and lest people forget that Europe suffered two world wars after conquering the Muslim lands." His wife told the incredulous agents Yusuf wasn't home, he was with the President. o Six days later, President Bush met in the Roosevelt Room with a Muslim imam by the name of Muzammil H. Siddiqi. Siddiqi is a long-time board member of several organizations in the United States funded by, and closely tied to, Saudi Arabia's radical state religion known as Wahhabism. Two of these groups, including one where Siddiqi still sits on the board, were raided in March 2002 by Federal authorities in pursuit of terrorist financing.
This presidential meeting was all the more puzzling since the imam had shown his true colors by claiming, at a rally the previous October: "America has to learn...If you remain on the side of injustice, the wrath of God will come.
Please, all Americans. Do you remember that? Allah is watching everyone. God is watching everyone. If you continue doing injustice, and tolerate injustice, the wrath of God will come." o On September 17, 2001, President Bush paid a visit to the mosque in Washington. There he was photographed flanked by Nihad Awad, the executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).
CAIR has long been an admirer and public defender of terrorist organizations whose attacks against even innocent women and children it sees as legitimate acts of "liberation." Awad has personally declared, "I am a supporter of the Hamas movement." o Also in the picture with President Bush at the mosque was Khaled Saffuri, currently chairman of an organization called the Islamic Institute, which he co-founded with conservative activist Grover Norquist.
Saffuri previously served as the development director of the American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, a supporter of the Palestine Liberation Organization when it made no bones about using terrorism for political purposes. He went on to become deputy director of the radical American Muslim Council (AMC), under then-director Abduraman Alamoudi -- a publicly declared supporter of Hamas and Hezbollah, whose statements of solidarity with these groups prompted the Bush 2000 campaign to return his contributions. Under Saffuri's leadership, the Islamic Institute has attacked the Bush Administration's investigations of radical Muslim groups and closures of organizations suspected of funding terrorists.
The Institute has been funded by groups raided in the above-mentioned terrorist financing investigations. It lobbied intensively against portions of the USA Patriot Act. And Saffuri has personally denounced the President's listing of the Holy Land Foundation as a charity that supported terrorist organizations. He has acknowledged sponsoring the children of suicide bombers through the Foundation, even after its closure by the government.
In addition to the President, a number of his senior subordinates -- including Cabinet officers -- have met, in some cases more than once, with members of the aforementioned and other organizations with troubling attitudes towards jihadist terrorists. A particularly bizarre instance was FBI Director Robert Mueller’s keynote address last year to the American Muslim Council.
The AMC has a long record of activities hostile to the Bush Administration’s prosecution of the war on terror. It has even urged Muslims not to cooperate with the FBI! Nonetheless, according to a press release dated last Thursday, Mr. Mueller has invited the AMC’s chairman, Dr. Yahya Mossa Basha, to attend an upcoming meeting with him and “leaders of major Muslim and Arab-American organizations.”
It is very much in the President's interest -- and the Nation's -- that moderate, law-abiding, peace-loving and patriotic American Muslims be embraced and empowered by the Bush Administration and all those who support it in waging a war on terror, not on Islam.
To do so, however, the Administration must not allow those who are “with” its enemies in that struggle to continue being with the President and his team.
And when one is a Christian, anything they're involved in (like being President) should be a ministry.
Either it is a way of life or you don't get it.
Funny.....I just said that. Where were you?
Now, I guess I should set up an 800 number...
First of all he didn't slam Robertson
Second, Roberts said something stupid
Third .. YOU STILL HAVE NOT EXPLAINED YOUR WORDS!
Yikes! I had forgotten about the WEASELS!
I am officially DOUBLE creeped out!
Lose the personal attacks. They're out of line. There are degrees of conservatism. Just because someone doesn't follow you lock-step does not make them any less conservative.
This thread did not start out discussing homosexuality -- that is until you hijacked it to advance your own personal prejudices and agenda.
You don't agree with someone, that's fine; drubbing them with your brand of Christianity is wrong. Back off.
As I said to you before, you cannot really expect people to put credence in your views when you have no principles.
If so, could you be more direct? The President is a traitor.....Yes, or No.
btw, I don't disagree that Islam is not a 'good' religion. That's beside the point of my question.
Does talking with Muslims make George W. Bush a traitor, as you implied? Yes, or No.
To read what I wrote and then to assume that I disagreed with or did not know of that foundational point requires immense density or bias.
Ok, then, here's your original post:
To: ohioWfanExcepting [sic] a homosexual as a sinner and not hating him is ALLOT [sic] different than placing a homosexual in a place of power.
Would Jesus promote a homosexual (not an ex-homo a current homo) into the leadership of his ministry?
President Bush is a sinner, you need to accept that.
341 posted on 02/19/2003 6:58 PM EST by CyberCowboy777
Sorry if I misunderstood you, but it appeared to me that you were saying that President Bush is a sinner because he hired homosexuals.
My point was that we are all sinners, not just President Bush.
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