[jlogajan]

I prefer to base my opinions of cultures from the relative times in which they lived.

Slavery was opposed long before the civil war. The slave holders knew the moral imperatives against slavery -- but they liked the economics of it.

Heck, the fought a civil war of secession against the freedom fighters. There was no moral vacuum, the slave holders were intentionally evil.

[Godebert]

"There was no moral vacuum, the slave holders were intentionally evil."

This coming from a self-described "Athiest-Libertarian" from Minnesota. You do know that Jefferson and Washington owned slaves, don't you? Minnesota....isn't that one of those Blue-zone socialist states?

[Ohioan]

Slavery was opposed long before the civil war. The slave holders knew the moral imperatives against slavery -- but they liked the economics of it. Heck, the fought a civil war of secession against the freedom fighters. There was no moral vacuum, the slave holders were intentionally evil.

"Moral imperatives?" "Freedom Fighters?" Do you ride with the sociopathic John Brown in your day dreams?

The Jeffersonian leadership in the South understood that slavery was not a good system. The problem of what to do about it was very complex. But the idea that outsiders had a moral right ("freedom fighters") to come in and destroy is so absurd as to border on lunacy. Certainly, the Lincoln Administration did not claim such a basis for the war.

Since the Bible, clearly recognizes and accepts human bondage, it is difficult to understand your "moral imperative." Again, the Jeffersonians recognized the moral flaws in the system; but they also understood the moral flaws in ending it, without a clear plan for what would follow. You apparently do not understand the dilemma, but your lack of understanding does not convert into virtue.

By the way. Your posts suggest that you have no understanding of how the War actually set back the Southern Negroes. If your rant was based upon compassion for the ex-slaves, it does not show it. If you have compassion for the ex-slaves, I would suggest that you look more closely at what happened between 1865 and 1890, when South haters, such as yourself, set about trying to base society on fantasy. It was the problem, which actually developed, which deterred the Jeffersonians from actually trying to end slavery. Deny it as you like. The history is there.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

[wardaddy]

Are you a knacker who occupies some high moral perch?

[FITZ]

The slave holders knew the moral imperatives against slavery -- but they liked the economics of it.

We've got a similar situation today with those using illegals ---it's the economics of it they like. The cheapest labor possible so that someone gets rich.