Women should be drafted

The Boston Globe ^ | 2/17/03 | Cathy Young Op-Ed

[Gothmog]

THE PROSPECT of war with Iraq has sparked a discussion of the possibility of bringing back military conscription. So far, such a move seems unlikely; the only calls for a reinstatement of the draft have come from war opponents such as Representative Charles Rangel, Democrat of New York, who argues that war requires ''shared sacrifice'' (and believes that if a draft were in place, our government would be more reluctant to go to war).

[Gothmog]

You mean lots of fraternization, but that's not permitted! Just FYI, my Godparents met when they were both Army officers, and both were class acts.

[notpoliticallycorewrecked]

I should also note that women never had to do the infamous "work details" that male Marines were made to do such as mess duty, guard duty or just plain scut work like painting or mowing the grass. Instead, work details for women consisted of either doing clerical work indoors or, believe it or not, supervising the male work details. So you would have women Marines ordering male Marines around doing things that they never would have been made to do themselves.


Hmmm, I guess that the AF was a lot tougher on it's females in the 1970's than the MC was in the 80's. I distinctly recalling having to mow and edge lawns. We were also required to do KP twice during basic just like the guys, but once you were in tech school or beyond it was contracted out.

[notpoliticallycorewrecked]

They said that about carrier duty also. Gee I don't recall anyone in our squadron getting pregnant until or unless they were married.

[Gothmog]

I don't think we really disagree, but technically IMHO I think the lawsuit is about some sissyfag libs trying to weasel out, but that's just my opinion, ha ha ha.

[bannie]

We seem to have scattered the subject here.

I believe that the subject is DRAFTING WOMEN. I also believe that in stating that drafting women was COUNTER-productive, I did address the issue.

Earlier, I stated general reasons why having women in combat is a bad thing (At least, I THINK I did.)

AS FAR AS DRAFTING:
When you draft women--I assume you mean that it will be done as men have been drafted, and on the same par--you need jobs for them.
The ASVAB Testing determines the MOS/job for which the draftee will be trained.
The number of non-combatent positions available are limited.
IF the female draftees fill all of the non-combatant positions, it seems to me that most, if not all, of the male draftees will be placed into combat.

This opens up a whole new can of proverbial worms.

LOOK, WAR is not a DEMOCRACY! Men fighting wars is time-tested. The experiments which I have seen of women in the non-traditional roles have usually been extremely COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE. I don't want to lose a couple of wars by SOCIALLY EXPERIMENTATION. We seem to have lost our logic here! You can't use surface logic for much of this...but I'm sure that some will continue to try.

[bannie]

RATZ!

"...I don't want to lose a couple of wars by SOCIAL EXPERIMENTATION. "

[bc2]

THE ABSURDITY OF FEMINISM - Essay on Sex Roles

With appropriate thanks to Ohioan

-benson_carter

[Frankss]

In appropriate positions, women are Ok in the military. They have been in the armed forces for years, WACS, WAVES,ect. Apply common sense

[BlackElk]

The entire "women in the military" and particularly the subset of "women in combat" is yet another stumbling block to the effective use of the military to project American power when necessary or desireable.

Dan Blather for CBSNBCABCCNNNYTWPNews: "Suzy Creamcheese dreamed of a career petting puppies at the local animal shelter but, first things first, she answered her nation's call and complied with the new all-inclusive Selective Service regulations enacted by a war-obsessed Republican Congressional majority abetted by those Democrats too cowardly to assert their party's historic pacifism developed all the way back in the 1970s.

"Now, as you can see, those puppies will go unpetted because Suzy's body was torn to shreds, decapitated, shorn of her limbs and her corpse was gang-raped by unidentified criminal elements clearly not representative of Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden or their religion of peace. It was all because the blood-crazed GOP warmongers didn't care about Suzy or the puppies. When will the Pentagon ever learn, when will they eeeeeever learn?"

C-SPAN Demonratic seminar callers to the Demonratic Whiny Hour of Washington Journal each morning (where all lefty callers of the male gender, in their capacity as stone liars, are self-proclaimed disabled combat veterans of the Vietnam War) seem to "feel" that democracy is dead unless the administration OBEYS the demands of the usual petty gang of leftist airheads in the streets to surrender before any war might begin. When Dan Blather has his aspiring assistants open Suzy's body bag for all to see, the emotional manipulations that characterized network snooze in the early 1970s will return to the one-eyed God of the living room.

Two lessons yet to be learned: No on the scene press and media coverage; NEVER waste six months yakking with the UN, just go in and attack. Do it. Don't yak about it. An obvious object of today's Americong is to postpone the festivities until hot Iraqi weather precludes chemical and biological protective suits from being worn to protect our troops. If they can't stop the war altogether, at least they will cause the maximum in gruesome casualties among American troops to bolster their political position.

They also figure that, if Suzy Creamcheese can be added to the casualty list and particularly if she looks like Meg Ryan in her prime, Suzy will be the permanent poster child for pacifism and knuckling under to one world gummint. "If only we had listened to older and wiser and morally superior countries like France, Germany and Belgium......" the line will go.

Use their next demonstration as a napalm proving ground and see to it that the loudmouthed Americong including Scott Ritter, Susan Saranwrap, Sean (Ohhh, I am soooo wasted) Penn, George (if I only had a brain) Clooney and the feminazis from Code Pink are facilitated so that they can be at Ground Zero as a Human Shield in Baghdad on Iraqi Liberation Day.

[BlackElk]

Lest I forget. Draft NO ONE. End registration. We have a professional military and it is a lot better able to roll into combat effectively than a drafted military. In Vietnam, there were "fragging" of officers, outright refusal to go into combat and dozens of other horrors related to misty-eyed views of equality and citizen-soldiers. Today's military is a profession. Let's keep it that way.

[jwalsh07]

I am the father of two daughters, both married with children. I don't think they should be drafted.

My wife is an Army vet as am I. One son in law is a Marine Corps vet, the other was turned down by the Marine Corps because he is 4F due to his knees and polyps in his throat.

My brother is a Navy vet, my nephew a 1LT in the Corps is in country right now. My father and 7 Uncles all WW2 vets.

When every able bodied man including me is suited up, then you can draft my daughters.

[rabidralph]

women should not be in the military

Women wouldn't have to join the military if so many men weren't ducking duty.

[Ohioan]

Thank you for making use of one of my essays. The undermining of American sex roles is part of the larger undermining of all images and values, which used to sustain and rally both men and women with a sense of purpose. The consequences of this attack on our images and value system has only just begun to become evident. It goes way beyond the immediate decline in human behavior and personal responsibility. Look a little closer at American society, today, and you will see many people without any sense at all of who they are, where they are--in relation to any place else--or where they might be going longer away than next year.

Those who think that this is simply about a people who weren't taught the basics of geography, had better look more closely. This is about a people, more and more, totally out of touch with reality; the reality beyond what they see or feel at a single moment in time.

Be not fooled by prosperity. There were still prosperous folk in Rome, immediately before the fall.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

[DeathfromBelow]

That is because in this politically correct US we live in, little boys have been converted into little wussies, because of the NOW Cows, and our social experiment in diversity, except male diversity is always wrong.

[SamAdams76]

When every able bodied man including me is suited up, then you can draft my daughters.

I'm afraid your feelings on the subject have become passe. Women have fought for the right to be integrated into the military for three decades now and now that they have finally achieved their goal, it's time they started facing up to the responsibility. Remember, it wasn't the men that fought to integrate women into the military, it was the women themselves. This is what they wanted. And if there are women who don't want this, well, they didn't speak up all too loud, now did they?

I don't think many of us want our sons drafted either. I certainly don't want to see my sons drafted (though if they enlist, I'm all for it). I'd like to see the military stay all-volunteer, myself. Equal rights can be a bitch, can't it?

[bannie]

I too come from a family of patriots. Although I am now a grandmother, I too served, having enlisted years ago with an established husband.

I will be happy to fight like a mother tiger if my home and family are attacked. (Note that "mother tigers" do not fight like the males.)

I consider myself the homeland defense--which seems like a traditionally established, workable situation.

[rabidralph]

That is because in this politically correct US we live in, little boys have been converted into little wussies, because of the NOW Cows, and our social experiment in diversity, except male diversity is always wrong.

Yes, but it puzzles me why the fathers of these little boys are still allowing their sons to be wussified.

[First_Salute]

"it's time they started facing up to the responsibility"

Yep.

[cherry]

"I think there is a role for women in the military, but not in any combat or combat support role."

I AGREE!!!

I just wish men and women would stop this ridiculous arguement about who is better at what and why etc etc etc..

men are not women and women are not men...

we have differant gender roles....

why can't we just accept that and be happy for the differance...