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Why the French defy America
The Daily Telegraph ^ | February 17, 2003 | Patrick Bishop

Posted on 02/16/2003 4:32:38 PM PST by MadIvan

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To: MadIvan
Ever since, the French have seen the US as a potential Utopia, he says, and have reacted to its failure to conform with their desires with an exasperation that has often shaded into something like hatred.

Think how you would feel if on a couple of occasions, you were about to get beat up by the schoolyard bully, and the quarterback of the football team rescues you. After a couple of times, you may begin to feel quite "impotent"--and may grow to resent your "hero" for rescuing you. You might become like France--an ungrateful, self-loathing, jealous, angry little twerp. That's how I always viewed France as acting like.

21 posted on 02/16/2003 5:02:17 PM PST by Captainpaintball (Tweaking the nipples of liberals worldwide...)
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To: MadIvan
I just watched 60 Minutes's Andy Rooney tear Fance a new one. Holy Cow!
22 posted on 02/16/2003 5:02:37 PM PST by StACase
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To: MadIvan
The french smell like their cheese and they have spines like their relatives, the jellyfish.
23 posted on 02/16/2003 5:03:32 PM PST by smith288 (Fromage mangeant des singes d'abdication)
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To: MadIvan
"It carries a whiff of fanaticism, dividing the world between those who are good and those who are evil. These are not categories that we feel at ease with."

And that is why you are irrelevant...

24 posted on 02/16/2003 5:06:18 PM PST by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (How many Frenchmen does it take to defend Paris? No one knows; it's never been tried...)
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To: Paul Atreides
Yes, get that artwork out of the Louvre, MOST OF WHICH ISN'T FRENCH!!!

Michealangelo, da Vinci, Reubens, Rembrandt, Botticelli, etc. WERE NOT FRENCH!

The French just happened to grab those paintings when they had lots of cash.

Yes, I know there were some great French painters, but they didn't corner the market on artistic expression.

25 posted on 02/16/2003 5:07:35 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: MadIvan
> "I think, in France, if you're at all smart or sophisticated, you're expected to be slightly anti-American. It's part of being a thoughtful French person.

IOW, hollow pride.

> "The top cliché is that all America's problems stem from its Puritan origins."

And there is the root of their problems. From their miserable excuse of a relativistic Revolution until now, the French have shown not the slightest ability to grasp the solid Biblical foundations we embraced. They remain lost in their empty romantic notions of life, which have made them victims of liberal-think. The fact that Bowling for Columbine was a smash hit is telling, and condemning. And at the root of the whole thing is their hollow pride, their willful living in the national egocentric dreamworld.
26 posted on 02/16/2003 5:07:43 PM PST by Paul_B
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To: MadIvan
I am not anti-french; I just plain hate them.
27 posted on 02/16/2003 5:07:48 PM PST by Diana Rose (I hate all things french)
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To: MadIvan
"It's true that the French sometimes appear not to have come to terms with the fact that they are no longer a major power - but we are not the pygmies the Americans say we are, either.

If I were a pygmy I'd sue for slander. One can respect pygmies.

28 posted on 02/16/2003 5:09:15 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: Yardstick
The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that they KNEW the translation of "weasel." They just pretended that they couldn't translate it...because they are cowards and liars!
29 posted on 02/16/2003 5:09:26 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: MadIvan
Reports of White House Bible study sessions baffle and alarm a people for whom religion is purely a private matter. "This really doesn't play well, . . ."

On the other hand, fellatio in the Oval Office is tres chic, so . . . je ne sais quoi!

30 posted on 02/16/2003 5:12:16 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: MadIvan
Reports of White House Bible study sessions baffle and alarm a people for whom religion is purely a private matter. "This really doesn't play well," said Pierre Buhler, the former French cultural counsellor in New York, who is now a visiting professor specialising in transatlantic relations at Sciences Po in Paris. "It carries a whiff of fanaticism, dividing the world between those who are good and those who are evil. These are not categories that we feel at ease with."

Well of course. For France, a country that has produced just about every decadent thing that ails society, good and evil are categories that make them feel "ill at ease." The French have no redeeming value. They are a deadweight that America and Great Britian have had to lug around for too long.

I would love to see this country withdraw from any organization (UN/NATO/WTO)that allows France to remain a member. I think we are going to find out that France has been an actual ally of Saddam Hussein. If so, France should be placed on the list of countries that support terrorism. It would not bother me one bit to bomb Paris.

Barbara Walters did a piece on Saddam's son Uday on 20/20 Friday night. Again the links to France from Iraq were very interesting:

A double of Uday who wore the same French suits and aftershave as his boss to fool potential attackers.

In Paris a former French official told 20/20 of an equally bizarre, more recent account allegedly involving Odai and a delegation of French college students in 2000.

Two of the students, a man and a woman, told French authorities that Odai invited them to a party in their honor at a Baghdad hotel. But when they got to Odai's room, they say three of his bodyguards forced them at gunpoint to have sex with each other while being taped on video.

According to Alexis Debat, who was a desk officer at the French Ministry of Defense at the time, the French government concluded there was little they could do about it. "I mean, after all, this is Saddam Hussein's son," said Debat, who is now a consultant for ABCNEWS.

Full story: 20/20 Profile of Uday Hussein

What the heck are the French doing sending exchange students to Iraq?!

And then the NATO decision that I loved today:

NATO broke a monthlong impasse Sunday over preparations in case of war in Iraq, reaffirming alliance solidarity while supporting U.N. efforts for a peaceful solution.

"Alliance solidarity has prevailed," NATO Secretary-General Lord Robertson said. "We have been able collectively to overcome the impasse."

After France was shut out of the room, two other holdouts Germany and Belgium dropped their objections to starting the planning for Turkey's defense immediately, NATO officials said.

link: NATO Breaks Month-Long Impasse on Iraq

Way to go Mr. Robertson! May the rest of the world follow your lead and shut out the French. I feel the time has come to call an enemy an enemy. France is in my opinion an enemy and a backer of world terrorism.

31 posted on 02/16/2003 5:13:51 PM PST by JDGreen123
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To: MadIvan
Bitchy, petulant children, these sophisticates.

If only we cared.

32 posted on 02/16/2003 5:15:07 PM PST by Madame Dufarge
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"There was an incredible outpouring after 9/11, the like of which I have never seen among French people," she says. "But the Bush administration never took advantage of it… I've been struck by their total inability to do anything about anti-Americanism, to the point where I wonder whether they really want to."

Yup, we never took advantage of it. Meanwhile it was not too long after this 'incredible outpouring' the the Frogs made a best seller out of a book where the author claimed the Pentagon was never hit by a plane and the terrorist attacks were carried out by right wingers within our government.

33 posted on 02/16/2003 5:17:32 PM PST by rightisright
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To: Kevin Curry
On the other hand, fellatio in the Oval Office is tres chic

Not to mention an Iraqi leader waging a JIHAD against America!

So far, I haven't heard the French say anything to lessen my bad opinion of them. They need to just shut up.

34 posted on 02/16/2003 5:22:47 PM PST by Paul Atreides
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To: MadIvan
Screw the French, this story just showed how arrogant and pigheaded they are. I hope they use the veto so we never have to rely on the SOBs again. They make me sick that the like good Americans like comrade Nader and Moore. The contemptuous little toads; no longer frogs toads because toads ain’t as cute as frogs; they’re ugly little warty things that piss on you when you try to hold them. I bought too bottles of wine today…both from Sonoma county CA.
35 posted on 02/16/2003 5:22:59 PM PST by Porterville
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To: MadIvan
Philippe Roger, who teaches at the École des Hautes Études

École... that's a "school," right? So they actually have a school for haughty attitudes? Am I reading that right? My French is limited, but that sure is what it looks like to me.

It's probably a chain, like those Kumon Math Centers. The French all send their kids to special schools where they learn haughty attitudes. We should have known.


36 posted on 02/16/2003 5:23:42 PM PST by Nick Danger (Freeps Ahoy! Caribbean cruise May 31... from $610 http://www.freeper.org)
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To: Porterville
That’s supposed to be two bottle of wine instead of too, but I am just too unsophisticated to use spell check..
37 posted on 02/16/2003 5:24:38 PM PST by Porterville
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To: MadIvan
I was going to spend a lot of time critiquing this article line by line, but this is SO true, I don't have the heart to rip details:

...Ever since, the French have seen the US as a potential Utopia, he says, and have reacted to its failure to conform with their desires with an exasperation that has often shaded into something like hatred...

The information about our failuresis conveyed to the French elite and general population through the tightly focused lens of the American Elite--a Class who despises Americans even more than the French do---and for the same reason. Our failure to conform to their utopian projections and, worse, the failure to hate ourselves as much as their conscience dictates we should.

The role of American political and cultural elites in training the French to dislike us properly cannot be overestimated. The most obvious example is their view of our race relations. The French pride themsleves on their nuanced approach to complex problems but when it come to American racism, their view is stricty black-and-white, broad brush cartoons.

Common Americans have no control over most of their institutions and therfore cannot speak to the world in their own voices. That is not the fault of the French.

The fault, dear Americans, is not in the frogs but in ourselves that we are misunderstood---to paraphrase some Limey scribbler....

38 posted on 02/16/2003 5:30:36 PM PST by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: Nick Danger
The French all send their kids to special schools where they learn haughty attitudes.

It's good training for becoming snotty waiters!

39 posted on 02/16/2003 5:34:52 PM PST by reg45
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To: MadIvan
Chirac and his model-boy Dominique, the French intelligentsia, the French elites -- they are all the bastard offspring of Marshall Petain of Vichy.
40 posted on 02/16/2003 5:35:47 PM PST by Siobhan († Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet †)
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