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Let's watch liberals gag on poison-pill higher tax check-off
Boston Herald ^ | February 16,2003 | Howie Carr

Posted on 02/16/2003 10:01:02 AM PST by SamAdams76

Have you noticed the new check-off line on the Massachusetts state income-tax form? It allows all good-hearted liberals, if they so desire, to reject the current 5.3 percent rate, and instead pay at the old 5.85 percent rate.

So if you earned $50,000 in taxable income in 2002 and owe the commonwealth $2,650, you can now opt to pay an extra $275.

You can do it . . . for the children. For the most vulnerable members of society. For those who fell through the safety net, who are victims of the Reagan-Bush recession blah-blah-blah. . . .

Now the liberals can put their money where their big fat mouths are. If they really support higher taxes, then here's an opportunity for them to pay their ``fair share.''

This appears to be the perfect solution to the state budget ``crisis.'' Let those who demand higher taxes pay them, and the rest of us mean-spirited types who work two or three jobs to make ends meet can keep a few more bucks in our own pockets.

God knows there are enough liberals around here who want higher taxes - for somebody else, anyway. In 2000, when a referendum on cutting the state income tax was on the ballot, 41 percent of the Massachusetts electorate said no, don't reduce the income tax.

In all, 1,055,161 citizens said they preferred high taxes. So if these million-plus kind-hearted individuals pay at the higher rate, we should be awash in cash, right?

Er, wrong. You see, it's apparently one thing to demand higher taxes on somebody else. It's another thing altogether when a liberal is asked to pay with his own cash.

According to the Department of Revenue, as of last Monday, 404,000 people had filed their 2002 state income tax forms.

Of those first 404,000 filers, exactly 140 had opted to pay at the higher rate - one-thirtieth of 1 percent. Those 140 filers' extra payments have thus far amounted to exactly $12,146. According to my figures, that means that those opting to pay more have an average annual income of less than $20,000.

``It seems likely,'' said a DOR spokesman, ``that a lot of those who checked the box aren't paying any taxes anyway.''

Funny how that works, isn't it? Did you ever notice how most of the reps, both locally and nationally, who are always clamoring for higher taxes represent districts teeming with the shiftless, the promiscuous, the drug-dependent and the undocumented. That is to say, non-taxpayers.

Two of the biggest proponents of ever-higher taxes are the leaders of the Legislature - House Speaker Tommy ``Taxes'' Finneran and Senate President Bobby ``Trav'' Travaglini.

As career solons from the City of Boston, they must be honorable men, so I wanted to ask them if they'll be paying their income taxes at the optional higher tax rate.

Remember, it's for the children.

First I called Tommy Taxes' flack to confirm that Mister Speaker would be paying the higher taxes he so desperately wishes to impose on the rest of us. My call was not returned.

Then I phoned Trav's new flack with the same question. Will Trav be paying his ``fair share'' of 5.85 percent?

That call was not returned either.

So this voluntary tax-increase check-off is a wonderful innovation. It's easy to talk the talk, but now we'll see how many will walk the walk - very, very few would be my guess. Thank you Citizens for Limited Taxation for inserting this little poison-pill reform into the tax code.

Meanwhile, the state's budget ``crisis'' deepens. Consider Franny Joyce, the one-time tin-whistle player in Billy Bulger's band. After a lifetime at the trough, Franny is being kicked down the stairs at the Mass. Convention Center Authority with a mere $500,000 kiss, and his final bonus is only $80,000.

I would love to hear from any legislators or mayors who have decided to pay more taxes than they're required to. Before I write you up, though, I'll need some proof that you're actually paying your ``fair share.'' It's not that I don't trust you but . . .

Please, all you tax-fattened hyenas, feel free to call and tell me of the sacrifices you're making for the children. When the phone don't ring, I'll know it's you.


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I did my taxes a couple of weeks ago and when I came to this section of the Massachusetts Tax form where they ask you if you would please "volunteer" to pay at a higher rate, I laughed. Who the heck would voluntarily pay more taxes, I asked myself.

But then I thought about it and said "What a brilliant idea!"

As Howie points out, we have a lot of liberals in these parts who are always clamoring that we don't pay enough taxes. This presents a perfect opportunity for these whiney liberals to put their money where their mouths are. And as Howie points out, only 140 out of 404,000 filers, or 0.07% of them, have elected to pay at the higher rate. Let's see...that means that in Massachusetts, 99.93% of all resident are cold-hearted conservative Republicans. And you all thought we were a liberal state!

I love it!

This is sheer genious. We have exposed the liberals for the frauds that they are. Now if only President Bush would put something similar on the federal 1040 form. Then the next time some liberal, like Ted Kennedy, challenges him on his tax cuts, Bush can always come back with "So Sen. Kennedy, surely YOU elected to pay the higher tax rate? You did, didn't you?"

1 posted on 02/16/2003 10:01:02 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: SamAdams76
I agree. This is a great idea.

Wasn't this also tried to some extent in Arkasas?

I seem to remeber Huckabee challenging his Democrat opponent to pay the higher rate.
2 posted on 02/16/2003 10:09:29 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Arkansas....
3 posted on 02/16/2003 10:10:14 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: SamAdams76
Very few voters are informed. The political party people vote for is very much like the religion they practice. They either inherited it from their parents ... or sort of assimilated it as a result of the environment they were raised in.

I had a friend of mine, who is a partisan Democrat, whine about our county government wanting to raise taxes on gasoline. When I informed this person that all but one member in county government was Democrat, she couldn't believe it.

People just don't equate "their Party" with the reality of what that party stands for. It's all hackneyed rhetoric. Democrats are for the poor. Republicans are for the rich. It makes one's worldview very simple.
4 posted on 02/16/2003 10:16:58 AM PST by LiberalBuster
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To: SamAdams76
I prepared my taxes about a week ago and noticed that Massachusetts residents are also supposed to declare any "big-ticket" items (e.g., cars, computers, furniture, jewelry) that were purchased out-of-state and pay the appropriate state sales tax on those items.

How many people are actually going to do that???!!!
5 posted on 02/16/2003 10:27:58 AM PST by kdmhcdcfld
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To: SamAdams76
poison-pill reform into the tax code.

Now that is the kind of universal drug coverage I can get behind!

6 posted on 02/16/2003 10:36:08 AM PST by StriperSniper (Start heating the TAR, I'll go get the FEATHERS.)
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To: kdmhcdcfld
That's a joke too. I live 10 miles from the NH border and I buy all my big ticket items up there. Who in their right minds is going to pay the 5% sales tax down here when the tax-free stores in NH are just 10 minutes up the road? I save hundreds of dollars a year this way.

BTW, Nashua is the closet NH town to where I live. It's an absolute zoo up there. As soon as you cross the border, you'd think you entered a major city. The entire border is ringed with superstores and chain stores of every kind and the traffic is worse than in Boston. And over 90% of the license plates in the parking lots are from Massachusetts. I'm sure a lot of Mass. liberals are among these tax-evaders!

7 posted on 02/16/2003 10:41:29 AM PST by SamAdams76 ('Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens')
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To: SamAdams76
I live 10 miles from the NH border and I buy all my big ticket items up there.

Thanks, Sam. We appreciate all you flatlanders do for our economy up here.

8 posted on 02/16/2003 10:45:12 AM PST by RJCogburn (Yes, it is bold talk.....)
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Thanks, Sam. We appreciate all you flatlanders do for our economy up here.

Glad to oblige. I'd live up there too but I don't want to pay your property taxes! (Which are triple what they are down here.)

9 posted on 02/16/2003 10:47:56 AM PST by SamAdams76 ('Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens')
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"Glad to oblige. I'd live up there too but I don't want to pay your property taxes! (Which are triple what they are down here.)"

Mainiacs and Massholes are always telling me that, but it doesn't seem to be true. I live in a 4 bedroom house with a large two car garage on half an acre intown. My annual taxes total about $3,000.

There are no sales or income taxes.

Now, total your property, sales and income taxes and compare it to my $3K total.

What's the verdict?


10 posted on 02/16/2003 10:58:12 AM PST by Poser
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Now, total your property, sales and income taxes and compare it to my $3K total.

It is generally understood that New Hampshire has some of the highest property and vehicle taxes in the nation. Here is a PDF I found bearing that out.

Anyway, the property tax can vary greatly in NH from town to town. What town do you live in? Perhaps you live in a small town further up north. Generally if you go to a larger town with a good school system, your property taxes are going to be much higher. I know somebody at my work who moved to Derry and his property taxes tripled from what he was paying in Mass. for an equivalent home.

I also have a 4-bedroom house with 2-car garage and half acre and I pay about $3800 a year here in Mass. I don't pay much sales tax because as I said, I just go to New Hampshire for all my big-ticket items (and even many routine purchases). Income tax is a wash because even if I moved to NH, I would still be taxed at 5.3% because my job is in Massachusetts. In fact, many people living in southern NH work in Massachusetts because the employment situation up there is terrible. If my wife and I could find the kind of jobs up there we have down there, we'd move up there in a heartbeat, even with the higher property taxes.

11 posted on 02/16/2003 11:25:50 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: SamAdams76
"Of those first 404,000 filers, exactly 140 had opted to pay at the higher rate - one-thirtieth of 1 percent."

FOFLOL...Democrats are the Party of Greed BUMP!!

What a great idea that was!

12 posted on 02/17/2003 12:46:00 PM PST by cake_crumb (Without dictators, what reason would we have to keep the UN?)
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To: cake_crumb
Thanks for the bump. I think this is an ingenous way for President Bush to take the wind out of the liberal Democrats sails if he does the same thing with the federal 1040 form next year. Give these whiners a chance to pay the higher rate and the issue will go away forever. Because nobody will pay the extra tax!

BTW, my initial calculation was incorrect. I misread Howie's statement that 1/30th of 1% elected to pay the higher tax. I thought it was 1/13th.

So instead of 99.93%, it is 99.97% of all Massachusetts residents who are cold-hearted, conservative Republicans! And you thought we were a liberal state! I wonder if Teddy Kennedy checked off the higher rate. Bet you a bottle of Chivas Regal that he didn't!

13 posted on 02/17/2003 1:04:19 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: LiberalBuster
Democrats are for the poor. Republicans are for the rich. It makes one's worldview very simple.

Although if those stereotypes are true, then which party has a vested interest in keeping poor people poor, and which would like them to become rich?

14 posted on 02/17/2003 1:09:52 PM PST by ThinkDifferent
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To: SamAdams76
WOW....

Massachusetts income tax is lower than ours here in Arkansas...

The smae 50,000 in taxable income here results in $2760 in state tax owed....compared to $2650 for Massachusetts...

15 posted on 02/17/2003 1:18:24 PM PST by TheBattman
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To: SamAdams76
"Thanks for the bump. I think this is an ingenous way for President Bush to take the wind out of the liberal Democrats sails if he does the same thing with the federal 1040 form next year."

That's a darned good idea...he should at least PUBLICALLY, on TELEVISION, challenge rich Democrats who whine that his 'tax custs only benefit the wealthy' to donate an $$$ amount to the US Treasury. Takers would have to accept publically and pledge a $$$ amount...when they don't pay, news gets leaked to more conservative representatives of the media.

I'd LOVE to see the Clintons, Kennedys and Daschles squirm out of THAT!

P.S. : I don't suppose there's any way some enterprising reporter could find OUT if Teddy checked the higher amount? Has anyone ASKED Teddy if he did?? That might cause the state to leak in self defense...

16 posted on 02/17/2003 1:32:50 PM PST by cake_crumb (Without dictators, what reason would we have to keep the UN?)
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To: SamAdams76
"99.97% of all Massachusetts residents who are cold-hearted, conservative Republicans!"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....

This ought to be called the "Not From MY Pocketbook" campaign.

17 posted on 02/17/2003 1:34:49 PM PST by cake_crumb (Without dictators, what reason would we have to keep the UN?)
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To: cake_crumb
I have bookmarked this thread and I will begin a campaign to inform as many people as I can that Massachusetts is now an overwhelmingly Republican state. Yes indeed, for 99.97% of all its residents are cold-hearted, uncompassionate, conservative, money-hungry Republicans. Just like me! Just like those folks at the Free Republic! Yes, it is so!

And if anybody takes issue with that, why then, I'll always have this article to thrust in their faces.

I tell you, it's a wonderful feeling to know that my fellow Massachusetts residents have finally come out of the closet to declare their true political feelings and to tell the government to get your damn hands out of our pockets!

BTW, that extra $360 I have in my pocket by telling the government to go stick it? Worry not, for it's going to a good cause. That's exactly how much I contribute to Free Republic each year! Thank you Massachusetts for giving me this wonderful opportunity to take some of my hard earned money away from your clutching hands so that I can contribute it to a good cause!

18 posted on 02/17/2003 1:44:57 PM PST by SamAdams76
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I live 10 miles from the NH border and I buy all my big ticket items up there. Who in their right minds is going to pay the 5% sales tax down here when the tax-free stores in NH are just 10 minutes up the road? I save hundreds of dollars a year this way.

I would do the same thing too if I lived in Massachusetts.

However, is there any possibility that the state police would arrest or cite you for buying out of state? I have heard that Pennsylvania does that for residents who go to New Jersey or Delaware to buy alchoholic beverages.

19 posted on 02/17/2003 1:54:51 PM PST by rudy45
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"Anyway, the property tax can vary greatly in NH from town to town. What town do you live in? Perhaps you live in a small town further up north. Generally if you go to a larger town with a good school system, your property taxes are going to be much higher. I know somebody at my work who moved to Derry and his property taxes tripled from what he was paying in Mass. for an equivalent home. "

I live in Rochester, 17 miles from Portsmouth. We are the 5th largest city in the state and our tax rate is among the highest in the state.

Here's the flaw in the tax rate comparisons. I bought my house last year for $160,000. My house, in eastern Mass. would be worth twice that much.

You can't compare rates. You have to compare absolute amounts. In fact, with the exception of Portsmouth, Amherst and a couple of yuppie towns, our property taxes are considerably lower than those for a comparable property in eastern Mass.

We don't pay sales tax on new cars. We do pay a registration fee that is high. I paid $316 to register a brand new $22,000 pickup truck this year. I suspect that Massachusetts costs at least that much in excise tax. Oh yeah, my annual insurance cost for that truck is under $600.

So... I pay $3,000 total tax. You pay $3,800 plus income tax plus sales tax. Massachusetts has *much* higher taxes than NH.

Leave the dark side! Move north! We need some more conservatives up here to balance all of the liberal Massholes that are crowding our southern towns. They move up here to get away from the taxes and political corruption in Mass. and then they proceed to vote for liberals. ARGH!!!
20 posted on 02/17/2003 2:42:21 PM PST by Poser
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