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Right to bear arms is not absolute
Denver Post ^ | 2-16-03 | State Sen. Ken Gordon

Posted on 02/16/2003 12:44:49 AM PST by Pat Bateman

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To: Pat Bateman
I have a response. I ask them if they think people should be able to carry guns on airplanes.

I usually win at least a draw with this answer, depending on the audience.

I have a response too. I'd ask him if the South American Spotted lemur should be allowed to ride a motorcycle after dusk without the proper reflective clothing.

And then while he's pondering the ramifications of antagonizing the National Association for the Advancement of Lemurs I'd whack him over the head with my shoe and run off to revel in my superior use of logic.

41 posted on 02/16/2003 9:32:08 AM PST by avg_freeper (no straw men were harmed in the making of this post)
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To: Eaker
Same bunch of BS I heard old Robert Redford squealing about last month. He's concerned about his constitutional freedoms being erroded . The bill of rights and the constitution "were" a blueprint, a foundation, not to be tampered with or perceived as a evolving document to fit the emotions of the masses at the moment.

Thus in my understanding the reason we "are" a Republic and not a democracy.....

The idiots who stand for one part of the bill of rights that fits their own personal needs and spits on the others are shocked when the precident is established by the BS socialism they support. Now when it's incrementalism creeps up on them they are angered and amazed.......PHUCEM !....... And the Horse they road in on !

Stay Safe Eaker !

42 posted on 02/16/2003 9:35:29 AM PST by Squantos (RKBA the original version of Homeland Security .....the one proven method that works !)
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To: Pat Bateman
"I've always wondered what would happen if you yelled 'Movie!' in a crowded fire station..."

That's easy. The firemen assigned to cooking duty would start to make popcorn.

43 posted on 02/16/2003 10:25:35 AM PST by Badray (End the slave tax. Abolish the IRS)
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To: Myrddin
That is what I was trying to say, but you made the point much clearer than I did. Thanks.
44 posted on 02/16/2003 10:29:58 AM PST by Badray (End the slave tax. Abolish the IRS)
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To: Pat Bateman
The right of the Militia to be armed is absolute, and the Militia may use any weapon at it's discrection. As far as "carry" laws go, they can all follow the Florida law or several other states that have CCW laws, the issue is a no brainer.
45 posted on 02/16/2003 10:35:06 AM PST by BOOTSTICK
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To: Pat Bateman
This is a tad confusing. Am I to understand that he's saying that I have the absolute right to bring a Brown Bess aboard a commercial aircraft?
46 posted on 02/16/2003 10:39:14 AM PST by Redcloak (Jøìn thë Çøålìtìon tø Prëvënt the Åbûsë of Ûnnëçëssårìlÿ Lëngthÿ, Vërbøsë ånd Nønsënsìçål Tåg Lìnës)
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To: Squantos
". . .excuse my rant...."

No excuses needed. I welcome your rants and look forward to them. Keep 'em coming.

47 posted on 02/16/2003 10:42:40 AM PST by Badray (End the slave tax. Abolish the IRS)
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To: Pat Bateman; madfly; FITZ; Bill Davis FR; mhking; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; Elkiejg; barker; ...
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

shall   Audio pronunciation of "shall" ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (shl)
aux.v. past tense should (shd)

  1. Used before a verb in the infinitive to show:
    1. Something that will take place or exist in the future: We shall arrive tomorrow.
    2. Something, such as an order, promise, requirement, or obligation: You shall leave now. He shall answer for his misdeeds. The penalty shall not exceed two years in prison.
    3. The will to do something or have something take place: I shall go out if I feel like it.
    4. Something that is inevitable: That day shall come.
  2. Archaic.
    1. To be able to.
    2. To have to; must.

not   Audio pronunciation of "not" ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (nt)
adv.

In no way; to no degree. Used to express negation, denial, refusal, or prohibition: I will not go. You may not have any.

be   Audio pronunciation of "be" ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (b)
v. First and third person singular past indicative was, (wz, wz; wz when unstressed)second person singular and plural and first and third person plural past indicative were, (wûr)past subjunctive were,past participle been, (bn)present participle be·ing, (bng)first person singular present indicative am, (m)second person singular and plural and first and third person plural present indicative are, (är)third person singular present indicative is, (z)present subjunctive be
v. intr.

  1. To exist in actuality; have life or reality: I think, therefore I am.
    1. To occupy a specified position: The food is on the table.
    2. To remain in a certain state or situation undisturbed, untouched, or unmolested: Let the children be.
  2. To take place; occur: The test was yesterday.
  3. To go or come: Have you ever been to Italy? Have you been home recently?
  4. Used as a copula in such senses as:
    1. To equal in identity: “To be a Christian was to be a Roman” (James Bryce).
    2. To have a specified significance: A is excellent, C is passing. Let n be the unknown quantity.
    3. To belong to a specified class or group: The human being is a primate.
    4. To have or show a specified quality or characteristic: She is witty. All humans are mortal.
    5. To seem to consist or be made of: The yard is all snow. He is all bluff and no bite.
  5. To belong; befall: Peace be unto you. Woe is me.

in·fringe   Audio pronunciation of "infringed" ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (n-frnj)
v. in·fringed, in·fring·ing, in·fring·es
v. tr.

  1. To transgress or exceed the limits of; violate: infringe a contract; infringe a patent.
  2. Obsolete. To defeat; invalidate.

v. intr.
To encroach on someone or something; engage in trespassing: an increased workload that infringed on his personal life.

48 posted on 02/16/2003 10:45:40 AM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (An American Fellowship of Freedom loving Conservatives..... <*[[[[[><)
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To: Travis McGee
This guy sounds like one of those liberal pinheads who likes to woo people with phrases like "You have the right not to get shot", as if that were something that could be garuanteed by government decree. Typical liberal needledick who tries to talk out of both sides of his face.


49 posted on 02/16/2003 11:06:09 AM PST by Joe Brower (http://www.joebrower.com/)
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To: Squantos
Good rant! And I like what you said about fire in the theater, I'm going to remember to use that.
50 posted on 02/16/2003 11:53:21 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: GRRRRR

BLOAT!


51 posted on 02/16/2003 11:56:19 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: capitan_refugio

LOL! Thanks for the chuckle, O fantasy ideologue!

52 posted on 02/16/2003 11:59:01 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
It's a shame that prisoners can't pack heat in order to protect themselves in jail. The same sad infringement exists for mental incompetents and proven felons on parole.
53 posted on 02/16/2003 12:00:59 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: harpseal
I know! Why is this so hard for sheeple to understand?
54 posted on 02/16/2003 12:05:02 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Pat Bateman
"... but nothing herein contained shall be construed to justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons."

So all that is needed here is a pre-emption law to keep cities and counties from screwing with open carry. And we shouldn't even need that, because that's already in the Constitution.

Open carry is better, anyway. The advantages of an armed populace are amplified with open carry, the drawbacks are subdued, and on a personal level open carry is handier, quicker and safer.

Of course, the property right of posting a "no guns" sign is allowed, (would, could and should apply to schools, banks, bars, etc.).

The Framers had it exactly right.

55 posted on 02/16/2003 12:34:35 PM PST by BikerTrash
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To: Cultural Jihad
LOL! Thanks for the chuckle, O fantasy ideologue!

/ / / / /

Your ad hominem "rebuttal" makes no effort to refute his statement of the facts.

You have a Constitutional refutation of the man's assertion that he should be able to own weapons comparable to the Government's per the Second Amendment?
56 posted on 02/16/2003 12:39:08 PM PST by BenR2 ((John 3:16: Still True Today.))
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To: BenR2
We should privatize nuclear weapons. It explicitly says so somewhere in the 2nd Amendment penumbra. (sheesh)
57 posted on 02/16/2003 12:56:51 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
We should privatize nuclear weapons. It explicitly says so somewhere in the 2nd Amendment penumbra. (sheesh)

Leaving nukes out of it, for now: Most people focus on things like "assault weapons" of various flavors. Can you give me any Constitutional reason why I should not be permitted to own, say, a military version M-16 (without all the extra paperwork now required for the select few civilians who do)?
58 posted on 02/16/2003 4:03:14 PM PST by BenR2 ((John 3:16: Still True Today.))
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To: BenR2

Since I don't live in Texas I don't have any right to decide how the good people of Texas choose to self-govern themselves there. The courts have upheld time and again reasonable restrictions on gun ownership, but what is reasonable for a community should be up to the community in question.

59 posted on 02/16/2003 4:23:29 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
Since I don't live in Texas I don't have any right to decide how the good people of Texas choose to self-govern themselves there unless it involves medical marijuana.
60 posted on 02/16/2003 4:25:34 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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