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To: VadeRetro
VadeRetro  wrote:
...The continued expansion of the universe along with gravity, nuclear chemistry, and a lot of time got us from there to here. Not only life on earth represent, but everything that looks interesting and complex about the rest of the universe also grew from those early conditions.

...You can trade unused potential energy for order (in the usual sense), turning potential energy into entropy in the process. That has happened with the universe.


Like I said, for arguments sake, I will accept the premise that the big bang occurred.  Your statements above are evolutionary dogma. You still haven't answered my question, how does the big bang theory explain the information that exists now but did not formerly exist? Do you really believe that information just happens given the laws of chemistry and physics and a lot of time? Does the theory pedict it?
1,334 posted on 03/05/2003 9:02:58 AM PST by Rachumlakenschlaff
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To: Rachumlakenschlaff
You still haven't answered my question, how does the big bang theory explain the information that exists now but did not formerly exist? Do you really believe that information just happens given the laws of chemistry and physics and a lot of time? Does the theory pedict it?

Friends, lurkers, countrymen: I've said something like the following on other threads, so if it looks familiar, it's the 2003 edition.

Rip another Big Bang, you may not get exactly earth, but if the initial event is similar enough, if the rules of physics are the same, you get another nice even cloud of hydrogen, helium, and a little lithium. Get that, and you'll get stars.

Get stars, and you'll get iron. The rules for the iron atom, the same in all the stars all over the sky, weren't in the gas cloud at the start of the universe, or its size. They're in the laws of physics. The properties of the iron atom and of its neighbor atoms in the periodic table have everything to do with why stars that go supernova do what they do and when. Supernovas seed interstellar space with heavy elements. Doing this allows the formation of second- and third-generation solar systems rich in heavy elements. (Solar systems, in other words, that can look like our own.)

Already in our scenario what most human minds perceive as order and complexity have greatly increased in the universe over that almost-uniform gas cloud. How things could happen from there on a particular sunny planet living in the energy flow between its star and the dark beyond don't have to be any more magical than what we have described already. Here's one scenario, genuinely conjectural but not magical, out of many which still vie for consideration.

1,364 posted on 03/05/2003 7:04:27 PM PST by VadeRetro (I pick conjectural-but-possible over magical at all times.)
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