[Right Wing Professor]

You're striking down the argument on a technicality. The increase in complexity has been determined. That's what I was asking in my previous few posts. Somebody who is better at math than I am can tell you the frequency with which an AA will form randomly. I've seen the number before and it's pretty big.

Nonsense. If the free energy of formation of the amino acid is favorable, and there exists a reasonable reaction mechanism, it will form. It's not a technicality. Glycine can be formed from a mixture of N2, water and CO under electric discharge conditions. I did a Scifinder search using the search string 'electric discharge formation amino acids' and got 73 references. Here's one.

Synthesis of biomolecules from nitrogen, carbon monoxide and water by electric discharge. Hirose, Y.; Ohmuro, K.; Saigoh, M.; Nakayama, T.; Yamagata, Y. Fac. Sci., Kanazawa Univ., Kanazawa, Japan. Origins of Life and Evolution of the Biosphere (1991), 20(6), 471-81.

Abstract: A model primitive gas contg. a mixt. of N2, CO, and water vapor over a water pool (300 mL, .apprx.37°) was subjected to elec. discharges. The discharge vessel (7 L in vol.) was equipped with a CO2 absorber (the CO2 being formed during the discharge), thus simulating possible absorption of CO2 in the primitive ocean. The vessel also has a cold trap (.apprx.-15°), which protects the primary products against the further decompn. in the discharge phase by enabling these products to adhere to the trap. Since the partial pressures of CO and N2 decreased at rates of 1.5-1.7 cm Hg day-1 and 0.1-0.2 cm/Hg day-1, resp., the gases were added at regular intervals. The soln. was analyzed at regular intervals for HCN, HCHO and urea, and max. concns. of about 50, 2, and 140 mM were obsd. The discharge phase was continued for 6 mo. In the soln., glycine (5.6% yield based on the carbon), glycylglycine (0.64%), orotic acid (0.004%) and small amts. of the other amino acids were found.

[bondserv]

All one needs to do is follow the money.

The entire food industry "banks" on the fact that the evolutionary model for the origins of life is bogus.

The probabilities that an organic sealed jar of peanut butter would produce life forms are astronomically (beyond absurdity) greater than life happening by chance.

1. Peanut butter in a jar is an "open system". Light and temperature have access to those perfectly formed organic materials.

2. Life already exists prior to the packing of said jar.

3. Millions and millions of jars are available as an organic sample. (Lab tests have shown billions of times that life doesn’t come about that way).

4. Life requires an external input of pre-programmed information. (When you open the jar exposure to said information commences).

The food industry banks on these simple understandings.

NEWS FLASH, Nabisco just found Houdini drowned sealed in an iron cage.