Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Other People's Body Parts

The Washington Dispatch ^ | February 15, 2003 | Beverly Nuckols, MD

[hocndoc]

Hatch has joined Feinstein and Kennedy in putting forth Senate Bill 303, supposedly a ban on "human cloning" while supporting stem cell research. The problem is that stem cell research in this case *requires* cloning. The authors of the bill define "human cloning" as allowing the clone to be born. Their solution is to create, cultivate, and kill, so that no "human" is born.

[hocndoc]

Good morning, guys.
Will you ping your respective groups?
(See what you did, Remedy?)

[Apple Pan Dowdy]

How can we as a nation pray for God to bless America in this war on Terrorism when we have the blood of millions of unborn babies on our hands!

Will God even be able to still hear us?

[Remedy]

I see you have written another published prescription for life with an outstanding title.

Manifesto Calls on Ethics and Law to Rein-In Biotechnology

[MHGinTN]

Pinging, m'Lady. I've ceased trying to be 'nice' about this, calling it what it is, CANNIBALISM. Alas, I write op-eds and essays and submit them to Newsweek and WSJ, Opinion column, but get rejected for not being PC. Glad to see you're having better success, m'Lady.

[Norman Conquest]

And yet when Hollywood makes a movie about enslaving women as brood sows (The Handmaid's Tale) don't you know it's the evil and exploitative religious right fighting AGAINST human dignity?

[Remedy]

Also, in The Washington Dispatch Why is "Murder" so Hard to Understand? Exclusive commentary by Judie Brown, President, American Life League

[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!!

[MHGinTN]

Every embryo, no matter where conceived, is an individual human lifetime begun. The stage/age of being an embryo is one of a myriad of natural ages for the individual along the continuum of that individual human lifetime. To conceive then kill and harvest the body parts of the individual humans thusly conceived is cannibalism as surely as if you ate their body parts in order to treat your medical malady. Therapeutic cloning is cannibalism.

[RepublicanRightOrWrong]

Just like in Brave New World, isn't it? Aldous Huxley wrote in the 1930's I believe.

Perhaps they will poision the embyos with alcohol, then say the embryo is "hopelessly brain damaged."

Has anyone seen the ad for "Dreammakers"? They recruit women as "egg donors" presumably for artificial insemination to "help a couple who can't concieve". Nothing wrong with that, but I bet that "fetal farming" is the next step.

The infrastructure is already in place. I fear the Republican party won't want to get in a fight over this.

[RepublicanRightOrWrong]

Just like in Brave New World, isn't it? Aldous Huxley wrote in the 1930's I believe.

Perhaps they will poision the embyos with alcohol, then say the embryo is "hopelessly brain damaged."

Has anyone seen the ad for "Dreammakers"? They recruit women as "egg donors" presumably for artificial insemination to "help a couple who can't concieve". Nothing wrong with that, but I bet that "fetal farming" is the next step.

The infrastructure is already in place. I fear the Republican party won't want to get in a fight over this.

[RepublicanRightOrWrong]

Just like in Brave New World, isn't it? Aldous Huxley wrote in the 1930's I believe.

Perhaps they will poision the embyos with alcohol, then say the embryo is "hopelessly brain damaged."

Has anyone seen the ad for "Dreammakers"? They recruit women as "egg donors" presumably for artificial insemination to "help a couple who can't concieve". Nothing wrong with that, but I bet that "fetal farming" is the next step.

The infrastructure is already in place. I fear the Republican party won't want to get in a fight over this.

[mamelukesabre]

They would have to build up a manufacturing base first. only then could they focus on the product(aborted babies for tissue)

What they would need to do is to start creating ovaries and uteruses so they wouldn't have to use volunteers. They would start with a few volunteers, and then figure out a way to keep the ovaries/uteruses alive and functioning without the rest of the person attached. Once they have enough of them, they wouldn't need human volunteers.

I wonder, if you had all the internal organs of one healthy human being intact, along with the blood....how many female reproductive systems could be maintained by it? My guess is that 5 or more ovaries/uteruses could be "hooked up" to one set of internal organs. Actually, you wouldn't even need a complete set of internal organs. There are machines that can do the work of some organs.

[hocndoc]

http://www.nationalreview.com/document/document020303c.asp

This article explains exactly the dangers of cloning for 'harvest.'

Worse, I can imagine the egg farms - where young women in 3rd world countries are penned to ensure their health and abstinence while they undergo hormonal treatments and surgical harvest of the resulting oocytes.

But, I also imagine that the first organs the researchers will work to produce will not be hearts, livers, nerve bundles or functioning Isles of Langerhans - to cure diabetes - but it will be ovarian tissue in order to produce marketable oocytes. What a boon for the manipulators of the human genome that step will be.

[hocndoc]

Ooops, we crossed the posting lines. (Great minds?)
The oocyte production would be freeing for the researchers - less messy human interaction.

I don't know about multiple uteruses with one body - twins are hard on moma's kidneys and livers. Probably use tweakable biomechanical systems.

[hocndoc]

Thanks for the compliment.
Wait 'till I finish "Heaving the Cat." (Remember Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn's cure for warts?)

[mamelukesabre]

The babies are not allowed to fully develop. How much strain on the mothers kidneys and liver is there if the pregnancy is termanated after three months? My guess is "not much".

[Reagan Man]

"I want your DNA!" Dr Mengele

"It's alive!" Dr Frankenstein

[hocndoc]

Makes you shudder, doesn't it?

[MHGinTN]

Far too many Americans, raised to adulthood in this PC/liberal nation of our current reality, will accept cannibalism if presented to them as benefits 'outweighing' the features. Partial birth infanticide is acceptable though repugnant, based on the specious notion that if ONE pregnancy is deemed endangering to the woman then infanticide is warranted for tens-of-thousands in order to 'insure' the abortionists has this available. What this amounts to is acceptance for the most repugnant behavior and that behavior extends to exploitation of the child killed and the process served. Our nation has forgotten how to say NO for we have reached the stage of accepting anything, valueless, except in context of benefits to self.