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Washington/Batimore Heavy Snow Forecast...
National Weather Service Baltimore/Washington ^ | February 14, 2003

Posted on 02/14/2003 2:15:54 PM PST by John H K

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BALTIMORE MD/WASHINGTON DC 445 PM EST FRI FEB 14 2003

...SHORT TERM...TONIGHT AND SAT...

ROUND ONE OF THIS WEEKEND'S TWO PART WINTER STORM HITS TONIGHT THRU LATE SAT. ACROSS THE FAR N ZONES AND MOUNTAINS...TEMPS WILL BE COOL ENOUGH THRU THE PERIOD THAT ALL SNOW IS EXPECTED. IN THE N SHEN VALLEY...NORTHERN VIRGINIA...AND DC AND S BALT AREAS...TEMPS WILL BE WARM ENOUGH FOR A RAIN/SNOW MIX TONIGHT. MODEL SOUNDINGS SHOW THE POSSIBILITY OF A BRIEF MIX OF SLEET OR FREEZING RAIN BETWEEN DAWN AND 8 AM. MID MORNING SAT...THE PRECIP WILL CHANGE TO ALL SNOW. ACROSS THE CENTRAL SHENANDOAH VALLEY...THE FREDERICKSBURG AREA AND SOUTHERN MARYLAND...PRIMARILY RAIN IN EXPECTED WITH A MIX OF SLEET/SNOW/OR FREEZING RAIN POSSIBLE. THE PRECIPITATION WILL CHANGE OVER TO MAINLY SNOW SOMETIME SAT AFT FROM N TO S. SNOWFALL ACCUMULATIONS WILL BE HIGHEST IN THE N WHERE MAINLY SNOW IS EXPECTED AND LOWEST IN THE S WHERE A SIGNIFICANT PERIOD OF MIX WILL OCCUR. RANGE FOR BOTH PERIODS...2 TO 6 INCHES.

MMARGRAF

LONG TERM (SAT NITE-FRI)

ETA/GFS HAVE TRENDED STRONGER AND SLOWER WITH RESPECT TO THE UPPER TROF THAT WILL BE EJECTING FROM THE PLAINS INTO THE MID-ATL STATES. ETA CLOSES OFF A MID-LVL CENTER BY 06Z MON NEAR PITTSBURG WHILE GFS DOES NOT. PER QPFHSD WILL LEAN MORE TOWARD THE ETA GIVEN IT HAS SOME SUPPORT FROM UKMET AND CANADIAN.

OCASSIONAL -SN EARLY SAT NITE WILL BECOME HEAVIER AS THE NIGHT PROGRESSES AS WAA PATTERN STRENGHTENS IN RESPONSE TO APPROACHING UPPER TROF/HEIGHT FALLS. 12Z ETA SHOWING IMPRESSIVE WAA PATTERN ON SUN WITH STG H85 EASTERLY JET OF 50 KTS FEEDING ATL MOISTURE INTO AN ALREADY JUICY AIR MASS. FCST PW FIELDS ARE OVR 0.8 INS OVR MOST OF THE CWA WITH VALUES EXCEEDING 1.0 IN OVR THE FAR SOUTHERN COUNTIES. ATMOS FROM TOP TO BOTTOM SUPPORTS MOSTLY SNOW ENTIRE CWA. HOWEVER MODELS SOUNDINGS SHOW SOME SLEET COULD GET MIXED IN WITH THE SN BETWEEN 00Z SUN-06Z SUN OVR FAR SRN MD/SPOTSYLVANIA/CHO. ADDED IP TO THOSE AREAS TO MATCH UP WITH SURROUNDING WFOS.

TEMPS ON SUN WILL HOVER AROUND 20 DEGS MOST OF THE DAY WHICH WILL PROBABLY RESULT IN HIGHER THAN NORMAL SNOW TO LIQUID RATIOS. GIVEN STRONG UPSLOPE COMPONENT (H85 50-KT JET)...STRONG 700-500 OMEGAS IN THE SNOW GROWTH REGION AND FVRBL LFQ JET DYNAMICS OF A 100-KT JET SUGGEST HEAVY SNOWFALL RATES THROUGH MUCH OF THE DAY ON SUN. EXTENDED PRECIP A LITTLE BIT LONGER INTO MIDDAY MON AS PER SLOWER TREND IN THE MODELS. ETA GIVING ALMOST 2.0 INS OF LIQUID EQUIVALENT WITH GFS ALMOST HALF OF THAT. BY THE TIME EVERYTHING IS SAID AND DONE WE COULD BE LOOKING AT THE MOST SIG SNOW EVENT IN THE WASHINGTON AREA SINCE EARLY JAN 1996. 10 INS OF SNOW WILL BE A VERY...VERY CONSERVATIVE SNOW TOTAL FOR THE AREA.

REST OF THE EXTENDED...TRENDED TEMPS COLDER GIVEN EXPECTED SNOWPACK. NEXT CHANCE OF PRECIP LOOKS TO BE NEXT FRI. LONG WAYS OUT FROM NOW KEPT IT DRY FOR NOW.

ROSA


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: dc; presidentsdaystorm; snow; storm; weather
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To: John H K
Richmond VA is ALWAY on the rain snow line. We could get buckets of rain, sleet or snow. No way to tell until its all over. :)
21 posted on 02/14/2003 2:48:08 PM PST by SarahW
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To: John H K
Only the usual amount of snow here in Vermont, but it was 20 below last night, and supposed to be the same again tonight. Our neighbors have cancelled a barbecue they were planning for Saturday night. The cold water pipe to my bathtub has frozen up again, but luckily the plumber designed it so it doesn't burst when it thaws . . . so far at least. Who knows when it will thaw this time?
22 posted on 02/14/2003 2:49:23 PM PST by Cicero
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To: Dog
This could be as a bad as the 96 storm???

That's what they are comparing it to - 2 inches of rainfall equivalent is a lot of snow...

23 posted on 02/14/2003 2:50:05 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
Drove up to Copper Mtn. from Colo.Sprgs. to ski back in early January. I've never seen Dillon Reservoir so low ... and I've been skiing Colorado going back 30 years. You guys (I live in the mid-west now, but still a Bronco guy) are in dire need of percipitation.
24 posted on 02/14/2003 2:50:29 PM PST by BluH2o
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To: BluH2o
You guys (I live in the mid-west now, but still a Bronco guy) are in dire need of percipitation.

I'm in PA now, and we're gonna get it...

25 posted on 02/14/2003 2:53:27 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
Thanks. Everyone here is hoping but they're already talking about ZERO outdoor watering this summer. Gonna be brown and dusty really quickly. My best to you and your wife.
26 posted on 02/14/2003 3:00:44 PM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: BluH2o
Drove up to Copper Mtn. from Colo.Sprgs. to ski back in early January. I've never seen Dillon Reservoir so low

You should have seen it this summer; they actually found some old boat wrecks the level was so low. Really quite sad.

27 posted on 02/14/2003 3:02:27 PM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: tomkat
Let me ask the question again, please humor me. Because of the DC protest I'm hoping for a heavy snow day tomorrow. What are the chances of there of heavy snow? Or does anyone here live in DC? Is it snowing, raining, what? BE SAFE!
28 posted on 02/14/2003 3:11:35 PM PST by RoseofTexas
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To: RoseofTexas
Ooops..strike out OF, meant: What are the chances of snow there tomorrow?
29 posted on 02/14/2003 3:12:50 PM PST by RoseofTexas
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To: All
MidAtlantic states, head's up. It is headed your way... and it looks nasty.


30 posted on 02/14/2003 3:31:29 PM PST by Semper911 (I used to have another tagline. This is my new one.)
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To: Dog
I was just listening to the local news (I'm in NJ too) and they're predicting no more than 2 inches tonight. 10+ on Sunday!
31 posted on 02/14/2003 3:36:01 PM PST by AM2000
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To: RoseofTexas
sorry rose, was away for awhile ...

looks like we'll either get about 6" or, depending on the track, a couple feet.

weathermen > guys/gals that can be wrong 50% of the time and still get paid ...

32 posted on 02/14/2003 3:37:22 PM PST by tomkat
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To: John H K
Predictions for East Tennessee have been for major rain today - 2 inches.

We may have gotten one half inch.

ISTM that the more data the weathermen have to work with, the less accurate forecasts have become.

33 posted on 02/14/2003 3:39:34 PM PST by don-o (I feel good about picking freepers brains, because I help pay the bills.)
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To: AM2000
Accuweather.com
34 posted on 02/14/2003 3:45:12 PM PST by Dog
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To: John H K
Calling for a foot or so here in Leesburg, VA (30mi NW of DC). The combination of terror threat and winter storm has left only caviar and wine on the grocery shelves, but I'll manage....somehow.

OK I'm exaggerating (about the grocery store)

35 posted on 02/14/2003 3:51:28 PM PST by Textide
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To: don-o
ISTM that the more data the weathermen have to work with, the less accurate forecasts have become.

Actually, forecasts have gradually, and continuously, been getting more and more accurate. This can be shown statistically.

However, the perception is otherwise for a variety of reasons:

1) People are ATTEMPTING longer range forecasts than they did 20-30 years ago. Forecasts are more wrong the longer you forecast out, thus creating the impression there is more error.

2) Crisis of rising expectations. Forecasts are VERY gradually getting better...for example, on average, National Hurricane Center track error is reduced by about 1% a year. The improvement is much slower than people's expectations, much slower than the rate technology is getting better, so people get frustrated.

3) Just blatant old-fogeyism....the standard "back in my day, things were better" business. Viewing the past through rose-colored glasses. There was a huge amount of blown forecasts in the 70s, 60s, 50s, 40s, etc.

36 posted on 02/14/2003 3:51:32 PM PST by John H K
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To: Dog
According to the map I am in the 10 inch area. Will believe it when I see it. Went to the grocery store about 10 A.M. and the shelves were bare. Don't people keep food in their homes? Much ado about nothing. By the way I went to do my every other week shopping.
37 posted on 02/14/2003 4:04:30 PM PST by mom-7
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To: mom-7
I work in a grocery store in South Jersey.....very busy day indeed..
38 posted on 02/14/2003 4:08:09 PM PST by Dog
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To: mom-7
Same here in N. Georgia.

They were forecasting major rain from mid day on. We got a little band of showers about 11 a.m., then just sprinkles, and by 4 o'clock the SUN was out.

I planned for today to get my car worked on in the p.m. since it would be raining anyway. Missed a gorgeous day outside - could have been riding my horse instead of sitting in the waiting room at the Ford place . . . sigh.

39 posted on 02/14/2003 4:10:26 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . weather forecasting is just black magic anyhow)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Milk, bread, booze, videos. The run has no doubt started

The duct tape, man. For God's sake, do not forget the duct tape.

40 posted on 02/14/2003 4:16:16 PM PST by verity
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