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Washington/Batimore Heavy Snow Forecast...
National Weather Service Baltimore/Washington ^ | February 14, 2003

Posted on 02/14/2003 2:15:54 PM PST by John H K

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BALTIMORE MD/WASHINGTON DC 445 PM EST FRI FEB 14 2003

...SHORT TERM...TONIGHT AND SAT...

ROUND ONE OF THIS WEEKEND'S TWO PART WINTER STORM HITS TONIGHT THRU LATE SAT. ACROSS THE FAR N ZONES AND MOUNTAINS...TEMPS WILL BE COOL ENOUGH THRU THE PERIOD THAT ALL SNOW IS EXPECTED. IN THE N SHEN VALLEY...NORTHERN VIRGINIA...AND DC AND S BALT AREAS...TEMPS WILL BE WARM ENOUGH FOR A RAIN/SNOW MIX TONIGHT. MODEL SOUNDINGS SHOW THE POSSIBILITY OF A BRIEF MIX OF SLEET OR FREEZING RAIN BETWEEN DAWN AND 8 AM. MID MORNING SAT...THE PRECIP WILL CHANGE TO ALL SNOW. ACROSS THE CENTRAL SHENANDOAH VALLEY...THE FREDERICKSBURG AREA AND SOUTHERN MARYLAND...PRIMARILY RAIN IN EXPECTED WITH A MIX OF SLEET/SNOW/OR FREEZING RAIN POSSIBLE. THE PRECIPITATION WILL CHANGE OVER TO MAINLY SNOW SOMETIME SAT AFT FROM N TO S. SNOWFALL ACCUMULATIONS WILL BE HIGHEST IN THE N WHERE MAINLY SNOW IS EXPECTED AND LOWEST IN THE S WHERE A SIGNIFICANT PERIOD OF MIX WILL OCCUR. RANGE FOR BOTH PERIODS...2 TO 6 INCHES.

MMARGRAF

LONG TERM (SAT NITE-FRI)

ETA/GFS HAVE TRENDED STRONGER AND SLOWER WITH RESPECT TO THE UPPER TROF THAT WILL BE EJECTING FROM THE PLAINS INTO THE MID-ATL STATES. ETA CLOSES OFF A MID-LVL CENTER BY 06Z MON NEAR PITTSBURG WHILE GFS DOES NOT. PER QPFHSD WILL LEAN MORE TOWARD THE ETA GIVEN IT HAS SOME SUPPORT FROM UKMET AND CANADIAN.

OCASSIONAL -SN EARLY SAT NITE WILL BECOME HEAVIER AS THE NIGHT PROGRESSES AS WAA PATTERN STRENGHTENS IN RESPONSE TO APPROACHING UPPER TROF/HEIGHT FALLS. 12Z ETA SHOWING IMPRESSIVE WAA PATTERN ON SUN WITH STG H85 EASTERLY JET OF 50 KTS FEEDING ATL MOISTURE INTO AN ALREADY JUICY AIR MASS. FCST PW FIELDS ARE OVR 0.8 INS OVR MOST OF THE CWA WITH VALUES EXCEEDING 1.0 IN OVR THE FAR SOUTHERN COUNTIES. ATMOS FROM TOP TO BOTTOM SUPPORTS MOSTLY SNOW ENTIRE CWA. HOWEVER MODELS SOUNDINGS SHOW SOME SLEET COULD GET MIXED IN WITH THE SN BETWEEN 00Z SUN-06Z SUN OVR FAR SRN MD/SPOTSYLVANIA/CHO. ADDED IP TO THOSE AREAS TO MATCH UP WITH SURROUNDING WFOS.

TEMPS ON SUN WILL HOVER AROUND 20 DEGS MOST OF THE DAY WHICH WILL PROBABLY RESULT IN HIGHER THAN NORMAL SNOW TO LIQUID RATIOS. GIVEN STRONG UPSLOPE COMPONENT (H85 50-KT JET)...STRONG 700-500 OMEGAS IN THE SNOW GROWTH REGION AND FVRBL LFQ JET DYNAMICS OF A 100-KT JET SUGGEST HEAVY SNOWFALL RATES THROUGH MUCH OF THE DAY ON SUN. EXTENDED PRECIP A LITTLE BIT LONGER INTO MIDDAY MON AS PER SLOWER TREND IN THE MODELS. ETA GIVING ALMOST 2.0 INS OF LIQUID EQUIVALENT WITH GFS ALMOST HALF OF THAT. BY THE TIME EVERYTHING IS SAID AND DONE WE COULD BE LOOKING AT THE MOST SIG SNOW EVENT IN THE WASHINGTON AREA SINCE EARLY JAN 1996. 10 INS OF SNOW WILL BE A VERY...VERY CONSERVATIVE SNOW TOTAL FOR THE AREA.

REST OF THE EXTENDED...TRENDED TEMPS COLDER GIVEN EXPECTED SNOWPACK. NEXT CHANCE OF PRECIP LOOKS TO BE NEXT FRI. LONG WAYS OUT FROM NOW KEPT IT DRY FOR NOW.

ROSA


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Virginia
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Before people have a cow, ALL National Weather Service products are in all caps, a relic of when they had ancient equipment that literally didn't have lower case. Also they use a ton of abbreviations that again are a relic of 300 baud data transmission and no storage space.

Also, this is an "Area Forecast Discussion" which is readable by the public, but really isn't intended for the public, hence the technical terminology.

In case you're wondering, computer models really don't output a snow amount, they output an amount of liquid water equivalent.

It's very tricky to convert that back into a snow depth, since it's very sensitive to temperature, etc. The MINIMUM baseline for a wet snow is about 10 to 1...10 inches of snow to 1 inch of rain. It's often 15 to 1 to 20 to 1.

Thus the ETA's 2.00" for DC is actually something like 20 to 40 inches of snow.

ETA can sometimes inflate precip amounts, though.

1 posted on 02/14/2003 2:15:54 PM PST by John H K
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To: John H K
Is there a war protest planned for this weekend in DC? If so, I think they won't have many attendees. HA!
2 posted on 02/14/2003 2:17:44 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: John H K
How relieable is this forcast? Are they usually on the money? What about NY, what is the forcast there for tomorrow??
3 posted on 02/14/2003 2:20:06 PM PST by RoseofTexas
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To: RoseofTexas
It's still possible for even a 2 day forecast in terms of snow to be off by a lot...there's very little chance that there's no snow in DC, or a big rainstorm.

It's extremely hard to tell what happens from Philadelphia Northward.

It's possible for NYC to have a substantial snow, but there are computer models with basically no snow in NYC from either storm, still.

4 posted on 02/14/2003 2:23:05 PM PST by John H K
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To: John H K
a relic of when they had ancient equipment that literally didn't have lower case. Also they use a ton of abbreviations that again are a relic of 300 baud data transmission and no storage space.

I met a quite old guy the other day with a heavy European accent. While shooting the breeze, he said he had no computer, but had "worked on them 50 years ago when they were the size of a large room"....

It was cute when he said, "They only had 40K, but...OHHHHHH!!!! The math and everything they could squeeze out of that 40K!!"

5 posted on 02/14/2003 2:24:38 PM PST by ErnBatavia ((Bumperootus!))
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To: John H K
Couldn't talk you into shipping some of that moisture to Colorado, could we?
6 posted on 02/14/2003 2:27:37 PM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: RoughDobermann
Couldn't talk you into shipping some of that moisture to Colorado, could we?

Har! I moved back to Pennsylvania this year and brought my new wife, the mountain woman, back with me. I warned her about the difference between East Coast cold and Colorado cold. So of course we get the worst winter since 1994. She's a believer now.

7 posted on 02/14/2003 2:31:17 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: RoseofTexas
weather.com for "approximately" NYC:

http://www.weather.com/weather/local/07661

8 posted on 02/14/2003 2:32:02 PM PST by upchuck
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To: John H K
I saw this sucker off the California coast a few days ago and figured it was gonna whump us. Any time a storm that strong goes in that far south on the coast, it usually digs into the souther jet pretty good and pulls together the ingredients for a big storm as it moves across the country. I hope I'm wrong...
9 posted on 02/14/2003 2:32:43 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
You, sir, are a sadist!! :-) Dry as a friggin bone here. We've had something like 12 inches in the Denver metro so far this winter. As you know, should be around 35 inches by now.... Gonna be a long summer and fire season if we don't get some more soon.
10 posted on 02/14/2003 2:33:46 PM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: John H K
We got ripped (York Pa) I'm on vacation and was ready for a big 3 day snow, sit back and relax in front of the fireplace, put on some classical, open the curtains on the big bay window and enjoy, now it looks the snow here won't be enough to cover the old dirty snow from before. Bah, we'll probably get a blizzard when I go back to work.
11 posted on 02/14/2003 2:36:12 PM PST by this_ol_patriot
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To: RoughDobermann
You, sir, are a sadist!! :-) Dry as a friggin bone here. We've had something like 12 inches in the Denver metro so far this winter. As you know, should be around 35 inches by now.... Gonna be a long summer and fire season if we don't get some more soon.

My wife and I are praying for you guys - we lived in the mountains west of Denver and were always worried about a fire up there. Colorado hasn't had a four-year drought before, but you've got one now. Hope for some late-season snow and some good rains in May...

12 posted on 02/14/2003 2:37:54 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: John H K
I am in Jersey......and it looks like 10 inches + from the storm Sunday..

4-6 inches tonight.

13 posted on 02/14/2003 2:39:35 PM PST by Dog
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To: John H K
It's very tricky to convert that back into a snow depth, since it's very sensitive to temperature, etc. The MINIMUM baseline for a wet snow is about 10 to 1...10 inches of snow to 1 inch of rain. It's often 15 to 1 to 20 to 1.

There's enough cold air in place to make sure this is an all-snow event. I remember the big dump in 1996 that they are talking about, it put down 30 inches in the Philly area - and the temps were down in the teens. This air mass isn't much warmer, and since it's February instead of early January, there will be more energy to the south for this storm to tap into.

14 posted on 02/14/2003 2:39:57 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: this_ol_patriot
Bah, we'll probably get a blizzard when I go back to work.

Yeppurs. I'm taking work home with me this weekend, because I don't expect to make it into work on Monday from what the forecast is saying.

15 posted on 02/14/2003 2:40:50 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: Miss Marple
dammit !

was hoping to meet the FReepers in NYC for cocktails after the demo tomorrow ...

whaaaaaaaa !

16 posted on 02/14/2003 2:43:36 PM PST by tomkat
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To: John H K
Damn, I worked on 300 Baud papertape many moons ago, could read it by sight....Next, they going to bring back Hollerith code?
17 posted on 02/14/2003 2:44:13 PM PST by dakine
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To: dirtboy
This could be as a bad as the 96 storm???
18 posted on 02/14/2003 2:45:26 PM PST by Dog
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To: John H K
Milk, bread, booze, videos. The run has no doubt started.
19 posted on 02/14/2003 2:46:10 PM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (those who unilaterally beat their swords into plowshares wind up plowing for those who don't)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Stores are packed....People around here are nuts...
20 posted on 02/14/2003 2:47:24 PM PST by dakine
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