[Sam's Army]

"I would deny your basic premise that one is automatically better off having been born in the country of Abraham Lincoln than in the one of Thomas Jefferson. (They're quite different, you know)"

Yet again, you are choosing not to answer the question. I was not asking about Lincoln vs Jefferson. I was asking about a UNITED States Of America as opposed to a CSA and USA existing simultaneously.

We, as a nation, are better off today (although not perfect) since the south lost.

[ml/nj]

Yet again, you are choosing not to answer the question. I was not asking about Lincoln vs Jefferson. I was asking about a UNITED States Of America as opposed to a CSA and USA existing simultaneously.

I think I answered the question, but that you cannot understand. We are obviously talking about paths not traveled here, but I think it is quite likely that this land would have been better off if Lincoln had never existed, of if he had told the South to go in peace.

Maybe things would have been even better if we had absorbed Canada?

ML/NJ (Lifetime Yankee)

[H.Akston]

We, as a nation, are better off today (although not perfect) since the south lost.

We would have been better off if the South had never seceded. Then the States would retain the ability to discriminate based on personal responsibility, like they always were able to do before the 14th Amendment by the Yankee Rump Congress overrode the 10th Amendment, unconstitutionally.

A voluntary Union is a more perfect Union.

A house divided can not stand. That's why Lincoln shouldn't have fought the attempt to build two houses side by side, that were united within. This new Union is divided, within.