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Wise words. I think the author is a psychiatrist, so he's probably dealt with these types. He and Yale Kramer (another psychiatrist) publish the Horsefeathers! web site.
1 posted on 02/12/2003 8:09:07 AM PST by BurkesLaw
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To: BurkesLaw
BTTT
2 posted on 02/12/2003 8:22:02 AM PST by Gritty
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To: BurkesLaw
BOOKMARKED
BUMP
3 posted on 02/12/2003 8:26:28 AM PST by ppaul
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To: BurkesLaw
bump
4 posted on 02/12/2003 8:29:47 AM PST by tophat9000
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To: demosthenes the elder
Interesting.
5 posted on 02/12/2003 8:30:11 AM PST by dyed_in_the_wool (I am Jack's smirking revenge.)
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To: BurkesLaw
Bumping a penetrating analysis.
6 posted on 02/12/2003 8:30:21 AM PST by headsonpikes
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To: BurkesLaw
Our debate today between liberals and conservatives is really a new version of the longstanding debate between utopians and anti-utopians. The latter are naturally regarded as less morally worthy than those who embrace a self flattering fantasy of universal love.
As Thomas Sowell pointed out in A Conflict of Visions, none of us sees reality whole. Utopians have the grandiose idea that they do see enough of reality to be able to dispense with tradition's wisdom. The most obvious fallacy of that conceit is the fact that any given language is itself meaningless apart from tradition--and where is your vaunted rationality without language?
No one learns their first language from a dictionary; they instead learn it in the bosom of their family, and in their culture. Subsequent "book larnin" from dictionaries can then amplifiy the child's knowledge of his native tounge or teach it other languages--but what is the meaning of a Spanish-English dictionary if you know neither Spanish nor English? It is gibberish, at most.

7 posted on 02/12/2003 8:34:42 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: BurkesLaw
Bump for Later
8 posted on 02/12/2003 8:36:54 AM PST by gridlock (All we are saying, Is give war a chance....)
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To: BurkesLaw
Bump for later.
10 posted on 02/12/2003 9:08:04 AM PST by Huck
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To: BurkesLaw
The battle in places like Europe is not between Islam and Christianity (that battle is over, as Christianity as a force has almost disappeared in Europe), but between Islam and Secular Humanism/Socialism.

Adherents of the latter 'religion' haven't yet realized who their real enemy is.

11 posted on 02/12/2003 9:13:06 AM PST by expatpat
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To: BurkesLaw
Why do verbally gifted and creative individuals lend themselves to this sort of idiocy?

"Check your premises."

12 posted on 02/12/2003 9:19:01 AM PST by Redcloak (Jøìn thë Çøålìtìon tø Prëvënt the Åbûsë of Ûnnëçëssårìlÿ Lëngthÿ, Vërbøsë ånd Nønsënsìçål Tåg Lìnës)
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To: BurkesLaw
One of the best posts in a while. Thanx.
13 posted on 02/12/2003 9:37:53 AM PST by friendly
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To: BurkesLaw
This has always been my take on the liberal and libertarian perspectives. And with a blind eye to the very nature of man with all his shortcomings, they will never understand why Utopia is unattainable.
14 posted on 02/12/2003 9:44:24 AM PST by A Navy Vet
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To: BurkesLaw
good article
15 posted on 02/12/2003 10:42:25 AM PST by demosthenes the elder (assorted rude noises)
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To: BurkesLaw; lawgirl; Polybius
Isn't it odd that George Orwell, the archetypal dystopian novelist lives on more vividly than Wells, gaining in stature with the passage of time? His novels, Animal Farm and 1984, depicted the horrifying outcome of the effort to create egalitarian utopias. They showed how "peace" could really mean war, and "freedom" could mean enslavement. They continue to live in ways that Wells's fiction does not.




16 posted on 02/12/2003 10:42:41 AM PST by Paul Ross (From the State Looking Forward to Global Warming! Let's Drown France!)
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To: BurkesLaw
Bump for later.
17 posted on 02/12/2003 10:46:53 AM PST by StriperSniper (Start heating the TAR, I'll go get the FEATHERS.)
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To: BurkesLaw
Liberals and libertarians (liberaltarians) do not accept that the innate desire for perfection and harmony deep within every human being cannot be fulfilled in the world of birth and death. As a monotheist, my understanding is that every soul is created by/coming from God, and that being (currently) separated from Him, it is our deepest desire and need to reunite with Him in love. When this need is neither recognized nor acted upon, it is misdirected and misapplied in the world.
In other words, if we don't seek the Kingdom of God in the right place, we try to imitate and create one on earth. And the result? Hell on earth.
Can't have the kingdom of God without God. It turns quickly into the worst hell anyone could ever imagine, ruled by imitation gods who become the worst enemies of the world.
20 posted on 02/12/2003 12:28:03 PM PST by First Amendment
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To: BurkesLaw
Both yearn for an unattainable perfection that can only require the annihilation of those who stand in the way.

I don't see it. Annihilation of those that stand in the way is not required by the utopian vision. Seclusion would suffice.

Afghanistan should have been Osama's utopia as the most pure implementation of sharia law. Does anyone doubt the world would fate would be much different were it all dominated by Islam?

Likewise the Soviet Union should have been the Communist's utopia, but it was indeed fantasy and after enough years reality set in and brought about the collapse of the communist state.

Annihilation of those that stand is the way is about winning. It's not about limiting outside influence. It's about validating your own beliefs by killing others. It's about power and exerting it over other people. It's about status and greed and probably lust.

22 posted on 02/12/2003 3:23:09 PM PST by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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