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The Is-There-A-Run-On-Duct-Tape-Yet? thread
2-11-03

Posted on 02/11/2003 10:56:58 AM PST by BurbankKarl

Has anyone bought plastic and tape as mentioned by Tom Ridge. I am sure some hard core Freepers already have it, left over from Y2K. I remember reading stories how the Israelis had all this stuff at the ready.

When is the Hajj over? When does Hajji come home? Will MSNBC run a Countown to Hajj ticker?

Maybe we should tape Gravis into his chair.


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To: BurbankKarl
I'm not overly concerned but I do have lots of Y2K stuff, batteries, toilet paper, tomato soup (smile), and now we have a wood burning stove (2 actually) and lots of trees surrounding our place, and a creek below the house so we're better than we would have been in the apartment.

I was watching a show yesterday with a woman named Laura somebody who wrote a book on nutrition (How to feel really good all the time, I think was the title) and they were discussing the smallpox problem. She said the best defense is a good immune system. I won't have a shot because I'm diabetic and I don't think it's good for anyone with an autoimmune system, so I'm working on getting my immune system built up. So, eat your fruits, veggies, whole grains, nuts, (unsalted and raw, of course) seeds and you won't get sick. Also, you need to get some kind of chelation therapy to get rid of all the aluminum and heavy metal toxicity in your system. She mentioned the overuse of aluminum foil and how it leaches into your food and causes toxicity (as well as mercury fillings, which I'm having replaced little by little). She said 70% of all cancer is caused by chemicals in the body. So, eat well, my children, and get chelated! Ah, elated about chelated.
81 posted on 02/11/2003 12:22:07 PM PST by Marysecretary
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To: fight_truth_decay
Bush is caught between Iraq and a hard place.

No one else but me suspects this as a scare tactic to garner support for attacking Iraq?...frankly I don't trust anyone in politics...not even Bush.

82 posted on 02/11/2003 12:23:31 PM PST by lewislynn (Vindicated once again!)
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To: BurbankKarl
Run-on duct tape is what you get when my four year old gets his hands on a new roll.
83 posted on 02/11/2003 12:25:19 PM PST by FourPeas
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all your duct tape are belong to us.....sorry
84 posted on 02/11/2003 12:26:44 PM PST by razbinn
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To: ChemistCat
i have nothing against basic prepardness but the use of duct tape and plastic sheets against chemical and biological is a bit too far out...
85 posted on 02/11/2003 12:27:40 PM PST by Bill Davis FR
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To: waspguy
My theory is it never hurts to be prepared. If we had to, we could seal off the little mother-in-law apartment in our cellar and stay there. It has a kitchenette and a bathroom and a small area for a living room/bedroom. It hasn't got a heating system except for an electric heater so if the electricity went off it wouldn't be much fun. We could also seal off the kitchen and dining room upstairs. The bathroom is right there, too, plus a Jotul stove (small but practical). I feel better being at this house than I did in the apartment, though. Gotta go get some duct tape and plastic sheeting this weekend...I do believe in being prepared even if you never use it.
86 posted on 02/11/2003 12:28:24 PM PST by Marysecretary
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To: BurbankKarl
I have a bunch of dry wall screws and some blue tarps. Will that do?
87 posted on 02/11/2003 12:29:07 PM PST by Redcloak (Jøìn thë Çøålìtìon tø Prëvënt the Åbûsë of Ûnnëçëssårìlÿ Lëngthÿ, Vërbøsë ånd Nønsënsìçål Tåg Lìnës)
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To: Cobra64
As a woman, I say sit! That way you don't spray all over the bathroom and it doesn't smell. Just my view.
88 posted on 02/11/2003 12:30:21 PM PST by Marysecretary
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To: spectre
Ah, along with the generators left over from Y2K?
89 posted on 02/11/2003 12:31:58 PM PST by Marysecretary
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To: waspguy
The idea of sheeting and tape to seal up a room or two inside the house until the dust cloud disperses makes a lot of sense. I think it's called "shelter in place".
You might try searching the Internet for that term.
From a Google search for "shelter +in place",
here is something from the US fedgov's Centers for Disease Conrtol and Prevention:

Sheltering in Place During a Radiation Emergency

With recent terrorist events, many people have wondered about the possibility of a terrorist attack involving radioactive materials. People who live near but not in the immediate area of the attack may be asked to stay home and take shelter rather than try to evacuate. This action is called “sheltering in place.” Because many radioactive materials rapidly decay and dissipate, staying in your home may protect your from exposure to radiation. The thick walls of your home may block much of the harmful radiation. Taking a few simple precautions can help you reduce your exposure to radiation. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has prepared this fact sheet to help you protect yourself and your family and to help you prepare a safe and well-stocked shelter.

Preparing a Shelter in Your Home 

The safest place in your home during an emergency involving radioactive materials is a centrally located room or basement. This area should have as few windows as possible. The further your shelter is from windows, the safer you will be.

Preparation is the key. Store emergency supplies in this area. An emergency could happen at any time, so it is best to stock supplies in advance and have everything that you need stored in the shelter.

Every 6 months, check the supplies in your shelter. Replace any expired medications, food, or batteries. Also, replace the water in your shelter every 6 months to keep it fresh.

Make sure that all family members know where the shelter is and what it is for. Caution them not to take any items from that area. If someone “borrows” items from your shelter, you may find that important items are missing when they are most needed.

If you have pets, prepare a place for them to relieve themselves in the shelter. Pets should not go outside during a radiation emergency because they may track radioactive materials from fallout into the shelter. Preparing a place for pets will keep the radioactive materials from getting inside the shelter.

Preparing Emergency Supplies 

Stock up on supplies, just as you would in case of severe weather conditions or other emergencies. Following is a list of things to consider when preparing your emergency kit.

  • Food with a long shelf life – Examples of this include canned, dried, and packaged food products. Store enough food for each member of the household for at least 3 days.
  • Water – In preparation for an emergency, purchase and store bottled water or simply store water from the tap. Each person in the household will need about 1 gallon per day; plan on storing enough water for at least 3 days.
  • A change of clothes and shoes – Check clothing every 6 months and remove clothes that no longer fit or are unsuitable for seasonal weather. Remember to include underwear, socks, sturdy shoes or work boots, and winter or summer clothes as needed.
  • Paper plates, paper towels, and plastic utensils – Store disposable dishware and utensils because you will not have enough water to wash dishes and because community water sources may be contaminated.
  • Plastic bags – Because you may not be able to leave your shelter for several days, you will need to collect your waste in plastic bags until it can be removed.
  • Bedding – Store sheets, blankets, towels, and cots for use during the time that you cannot leave your shelter.
  • Battery-operated radio and batteries – Electrical power may not be on for several days. A battery-operated radio will allow you to listen to emergency messages.
  • Medicines – Be sure to store a few days’ supply of any prescription medicines that your family takes. Check medicines every 6 months and rotate the prescriptions so that you always have a fresh supply in your shelter.
  • Toiletries – Keep a supply of soap, hand sanitizer, toilet paper, deodorant, disinfectants, etc.
  • Flashlight and batteries – Electrical power may be out for several days. A flashlight will help you see in your shelter.
  • A telephone or cell phone – Although cell phone or ground phone service may be interrupted, there is still a chance that you will be able to use a phone to call outside for information and advice from emergency services.
  • Extra eyeglasses or contact lenses and cleaning supplies.
  • Duct tape and heavy plastic sheeting – You can use these items to seal the door to your shelter and to seal any vents that open into your shelter.
  • Pet food, baby formula, diapers, etc. – Don’t forget the other members of your family. If you have an infant, store extra formula and diapers. If you have pets keep a 3-day supply of pet food.
  • First aid kit – You can purchase a first-aid kit or prepare one yourself. Be sure to include the following items:
    • Sterile adhesive bandages
    • Sterile gauze pads in 2 inch and 4 inch sizes
    • Adhesive tape
    • Sterile rolled bandages
    • Scissors
    • Tweezers
    • Needle
    • Thermometer
    • Moistened towelettes
    • Antiseptic ointment
    • Tube of petroleum jelly or other lubricant
    • Soap or hand sanitizer
    • Latex or vinyl gloves
    • Safety pins
    • Aspirin or aspirin free pain reliever
    • Antidiarrhea medication
    • Laxatives
    • Antacids for stomach upset
    • Syrup of ipecac to cause vomiting if advised by the Poison Control Center
    • Activated charcoal to stop vomiting if advised by the Poison Control Center
  • Games, books and other entertainment – Because you may be in your shelter for several days, keep items on hand to occupy your family during that time. Children are likely to get bored if they have to stay in one place for long periods. Think of activities that they will enjoy doing while in the shelter – finger painting, coloring, playing games, etc.

Tips Before Entering a Shelter

If you are outside when the alert is given, try to remove clothing and shoes and place them in a plastic bag before entering the house. During sever weather, such as extreme cold, remove at least the outer layer of clothes before entering the home to avoid bringing radioactive material into your shelter. Leave clothing and shoes outside. Shower and wash your body with soap and water. Removing clothing will eliminate 90% of radioactive contamination. By taking this simple step, you will reduce the time that you are exposed and also your risk of injury from the radiation.

Before entering the shelter, turn off fans, air conditioners, and forced-air heating units that bring air in from the outside. Close and lock all windows and doors, and close fireplace dampers.

When you move to your shelter, use duct tape and plastic sheeting to seal any doors, windows, or vents.

Keep your radio tuned to an emergency response network at all times for updates on the situation. The announcers will provide information about when you may leave your shelter and whether you need to take other emergency measures.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) protects people’s health and safety by preventing and controlling diseases and injuries; enhances health decisions by providing credible information on critical health issues; and promotes healthy living through strong partnerships with local, national, and international organizations.


90 posted on 02/11/2003 12:50:10 PM PST by RonDog
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Bump for later reading/entertainment.
91 posted on 02/11/2003 12:53:28 PM PST by Tennessee_Bob (Away up here they've got a name for rain and wind and fire....)
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To: Marysecretary
I'm going to buy more ammo. Throwing rolls of duct tape at an intruder/looter does'nt seem like a good idea.
92 posted on 02/11/2003 12:57:46 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: 1Old Pro
I want to duct tape Phil Donahue to the wall. Does anyone know how many rolls I'll need?
93 posted on 02/11/2003 1:05:12 PM PST by Palladin (Proud to be a FReeper!)
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To: Rebelbase
That's funny. I love the visual it gives me. "Take that and that! I'm on a roll!"
94 posted on 02/11/2003 1:16:58 PM PST by Marysecretary
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To: fight_truth_decay
Anyone who lives without duct tape deserves what they get, sarin or no sarin ;)
95 posted on 02/11/2003 1:45:12 PM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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To: Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
Actually, plastic sheeting and duct tape would go a long way towards protecting you from nerve gas, blister agent, or anthrax dust. Just stay in your house, turn off the a/c, and wait for the agents to degrade. Anthrax won't degrade like chemical agents will, but you can still keep it out of your house, and touching it won't kill you. BTW, "nerve gas" is mostly a mist, not a gas.

I was 1st in my class at NBC Warfare School. None of it is rocket science. Just keep it off of your skin and out of your lungs.
96 posted on 02/11/2003 1:53:42 PM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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To: kevao
Seal the borders!

With enough Duct Tape, you can . . .

97 posted on 02/11/2003 1:57:19 PM PST by Mr_Magoo (Single, Available, and Easy)
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To: Mr_Magoo; kevao
Seal the borders!
With enough Duct Tape, you can . . .
Is THIS enough?


98 posted on 02/11/2003 2:00:22 PM PST by mhking ("The home team Iraqis have won the toss and elected to receive...")
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To: Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
In other words, good defense against the kinds of weapons terrorists are least likely to have. The only protection against modern chemical and biological agents is complete airtight protection and air recirculation; in other words, a full body suit and gas mask, or a sealed residence with some kind of air filtration system.

Otherwise, if you can seal off the air in your house enough to protect yourself, you will also suffocate. The only real prepardness in that case would be to have a real shelter with air filtration. Otherwise, the only option is to get out of the affected area, if possible.

Nope. If you shut off your a/c, your house should have neither positive nor negative ventilation. A mist like nerve gas or a dust like anthrax will only get into your house if there is a pressure differential, i.e. blowing air out one end of your house lowering the internal pressure, making air suck into cracks on the other end. (Note, if your house heats up or cools off a lot, this will cause some differential)

If you keep your air off and doors closed for a few days, you should still have plenty of air to breath in the volume of a normal house or apartment. If you really want to get fancy, you can make your house positive ventilation, which would blow air out any crevices. You'd need a blower bringing in air through a HEPA filter (a real HEPA, lots of crappy filters at walmart say HEPA on them). We do the reverse when working with radiological or chemical waste in a glove-bag, so that any opening is sucking air in, and the blower with the HEPA is blowing out. You're better off just caulking your windows and sitting tight for a few days.

If you have a swamp cooler, which is a big gaping hole in your house, then plastic sheeting and duct tape would work wonders.

99 posted on 02/11/2003 2:04:37 PM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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To: A2J
It was a sarcastic joke on the whole thing, son.
100 posted on 02/11/2003 2:27:17 PM PST by FreedomPoster (This space intentionally blank)
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