Hillary Calls for National ID Card

NewsMax.com ^ | 2/11/03

[Japedo]

.. Don't kill the messenger! All I'm saying is that it has VERY attractive benefits (I.e. a one world economy, no need for money, medical history, crime-fighting benefits, etc., etc.) Besides it's Biblically prophetic...do you not believe that it is going to come to pass? Incidentally, unless you plan to live in the woods on nuts and berries, you won't be able to support yourself/family without such a device...

Meandog,
A) I'm not trying to kill the messenger, Just simply stating Fact of my own personal limits.
B)Benefits to whom? This sounds like once again man is trying to create a Utopia that will NEVER be. What will be a "crime?" independent thought? Independent Support for something that's not allowed (example the Constitution)? More "THOUGHT CRIMES". Anyone wanting Freedom is a criminal now because they will not assimilate? Sounds more like Star Trek TNG Borg then Reality to me.
C) As far as the Bible goes, Another argument completely. I do not buy into all the DOOM and Gloom if that is what you're asking me. I am more of the type of person that Believes Determination and Drive gets people where they are going instead of Fate. I believe we are given Free choice, I do not believe we were all sent here to follow some sort of Script with an inevitable end.
D) I do not plan on living on Nuts and Berries, I plan on supporting My fellow Americans in Stopping this. I will not just go along because I believe it was "ment to be". It is not how I was created, and you'll hafta take that up with my maker! :)

[KC_for_Freedom]

Okay, I have a stupid question, What happens with Identical Twins?

Good bio ids would use something that identical twins differ in, like fingerprints. (Yes, identical twins do not share identical fingerprints). However, twins could prove they are identical and have "permission" to have similar pictures in a data base. People who don't have identical twins would have more trouble.

Incidentally, identical twins play this game today, (taking the rap for one another if one has a record and one does not.) But not very often, and not when fingerprints are used.

[reg45]

With a branding iron!

[Japedo]

Food for thought:

So where does this end? Will they next ask for a sample of my brain stem after the DNA stuff fails? (after all it will only be a Small sample) Where is this going to stop? What happens when a Scientists manipulates DNA strands and again Put false Info in to the "DATA BASE"

You are going on the ASSUMPTION of everyone being Honest in this Utopia. Why wouldn't DNA go on the black market? For everything invented, there are People born to Crack it and break into it manipulating the once "PERFECT SYSTEM". It will be the same boat we are in today only difference is instead of our SS numbers, they will have chips and DNAs on Record.

I can only imagine what the founders would say with all of this........ I'd doubt they would have even risked their lives for us to be free if they Knew this was how it was going to end up. Sad...

[Japedo]

Good bio ids

No Bio ID is a "good ID" Please see my comment above. what happens when some DNA Crackers hack the DNA system, Manipulating it? What happens when People are maimed or Murdered for their chip? what happens when the Chips are being copied? One more Question. How is it we will pay our Tax's.. walk into our Local IRS office and let them drain our chip? will the Chip alter our thoughts? How can I trust they don't put some sort of Subliminal message in my chip, or Drug, ? Sound Crazy?
No more ludicrous then you telling us a Chip is needed.

[KC_for_Freedom]

Thank you for providing your approach. I don't agree, (as you suspected). I don't believe our foreign policy is the cause of agression against us. (It used to be called the "Ugly American" when I was growing up.) You could make a case that our corporations are expanding into places where our approach (capitalism, freedom of religion, freedom of dress, etc) upsets radicals of say some fundamentalist religion. I agree that radical muslim is on the rise because they want to protect a life that cannot exist in an era of internet, hollywood, world news and satellite tv. So they hate us and have not military might so they resort to terrorist tactics. I think we both have the picture.

We could try appeasement as you suggest. Pull out, give them their territory, promise to stop infringing, bringing our world into theirs. Something like this might have been used against the american indian too, except that manifest destiny got in the way. Something like manifest destiny is happening today, I don't know if progress and technology can be stopped. But we have a right to contest this situation where our world meets with the muslim world.

Now to infer that our contesting this situation will lead to a continuous flow of opponents is similar to the liberal arguement that we have to have social welfare programs because if we don't the poor will rise up against us. I don't buy either. We can prosecute the terrorists until the people who believe in "live and let live" push the fundamentalists out of positions where they can continue to prosecute this war.

Will this happen? It has before when radical fundamentalists rose up in past centuries. And we are stronger now.

Our socialistic entitlement programs like social security are pyramid schemes, which only work if the base of the pyramid is larger than the top.

You have hit on another sad truth. That our population, and the populations of all developed countries have stabilized but programs like social security require that a large base of workers are available to support those drawing benefits. That is why France has opened its doors to french speaking muslims from Algiers. And the US has defacto opened its borders to Mexico and China with the flaws in the immigration act of 1965. Both parties support it because neither wants to take on the social security debt without a supporting base to the pyramide.

This has to stop, and I have some hope that 9-11 started the process of stopping it. Our country will have to find another way to reckon with social security and other entitlements in an era of stable population growth. If this does not happen, we will continue to admit terrorists daily. So I agree with part of your solution.

As to Ids, its clear we will have to agree to disagree. In order to deport so many who are here against the law, the government needs a tool. I don't know a tool that will resolve the fact that millions are here already unless we use some form of "your papers please". the only difference between this and Hitler's Germany is that we are doing it for different reasons to people who have no right to be here. The only solution you have is to change future actions when the terrorists are in country already. Your plan is to catch them in the act I suppose, with good police work. But you admit that a free society is in bad shape to find them and prosecute them. In this case I submit that some form of Id is less onerous than losing our country. I also submit that we can get our freedoms back from this crisis, when the threat subsides. I know you don't believe this, but when the government suspends the bill of rights for its true citizens, I will be there beside you.

[Mia T]

"I am, you know, adamantly against illegal immigrants."

HILLARY "YOU KNOW" CLINTON
Hillary Calls for National ID Card

SENATORS FOR VOTE FRAUD

By ARNOLD ALHERT

October 19, 2002 -- IT'S more than a little ironic. On the same day it was announced that Saddam Hussein has been "unanimously" re-elected, the only two senators preventing a unanimous vote in the Senate on the election-reform bill were New York's own Chuck Schumer and Hillary Clinton.

Why? "This would make it more difficult to vote in New York. It's designed to suppress minority voting participation," said Sen. Clinton.

The "this" Sen. Clinton is referring to is the new anti-fraud provisions in the bill. They require that every person wanting to vote show a driver's license, Social Security number or other approved ID in order to cast a ballot.

Clinton and Schumer preferred a system where a potential voter merely had to sign his or her name.

So who is it exactly that this bill is "suppressing"? U.S. citizens have all the requisite ID - no matter what their ethnicity. Could it be that Clinton and Schumer are "sensitive" to some of the leftist fringe groups in this country who are clamoring for the right of illegal aliens to vote?

It is no secret that New York is home to thousands of undocumented "residents" - who would vote overwhelmingly Democratic if they could just get past these darn ID requirements.

New York's dynamic duo have a lot more 'splainin' to do on this one.

E-mail: ahlert@mindspring.com

Q ERTY4_{REALITY CHECK}

bump!

YOO-HOO Mrs. clinton!

If you want to find the cause of our national insecurity. . .

look in the mirror. . .

 

Hillary Clinton made headlines a few weeks ago with her macho talk about national security. Watch her lips move:

"Our people remain vulnerable," she complained at a Manhattan conference on homeland defense, "nearly as vulnerable as we were before" the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. Clinton -- just call her "Border Hawk Hillary" -- further asserted that "our approach to securing our nation is haphazard at best . . . Somewhere along the line, we lost our edge. We let our guard down."

The Hillary amendment
2/07/03 | Michelle Malkin

For aliens to obtain citizenship, federal regulations require that their application be accompanied by a complete set of fingerprints...to determine if the applicant has a criminal or arrest record...It was in this area that Mr. Gore's pressure caused the biggest breakdown...

In the end, the [Clinton] White House got their one million voters and re-election. The U.S. got 75,000 new citizens who had arrest records when they applied; an additional 115,000 citizens whose fingerprints were unclassifiable and were never resubmitted; and a final 61,000 who were given citizenship without even having their fingerprints submitted so that no check was possible...

In June 1998, we undertook to again pick up the investigation of the program. Our interest intensified when we heard that a similar plan may be in the works for the 2000 presidential election. Among other things, we wanted to find out if the criminals who were given citizenship in 1996 were continuing their criminal activity in the two years since. My staff pulled out about 100 of the most violent or serious crimes that were committed by aliens prior to naturalization and documented by arrest records...

Of those 100 records, some 20% showed arrests for serious crimes after the subject was given citizenship. The charges included murder, rape and child sexual abuse. Based on those results, we resolved to ask for updates on every arrest record. Had we been given enough time to put together evidence and witnesses, Citizenship USA might even have figured in Mr. Clinton's impeachment trial.

 David Schippers
Abusing the INS,
The Wall Street Journal

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Voter fraud, again!

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© 2000 WorldNetDaily.com

Stop the presses! I mean it. Stop the election!

Something is going on in Washington and California that will have a great impact on tomorrow's election -- and it stinks to high heaven.

Let me start by telling you how I found out about it.

A very good friend of mine, who shall remain nameless, has a long-time live-in housekeeper from Guatemala. The housekeeper has a daughter who just turned 18. The immigration status of both mother and daughter has been pending for years. Papers have been filed with the Immigration and Naturalization Service. Hearings have been held. But they are not citizens.

This is very important: The daughter has not registered to vote.

But, a few days ago, the 18-year-old got a very attractively packaged "Dear friend" letter from Bill Clinton, paid for by the California Democratic Party.

Here's what it said (on one side in Spanish and on the other side in English): "While every election is important, the November 7th election will determine our future for the next decade, and beyond. The stakes are high for America's Latino families. And California is the critical battleground.

"That's why I'm writing. We need your help to elect a Democratic Congress.

"Despite our strong economy, many hard-working people still struggle to make ends meet. Quality, affordable health care, a world-class education, aging with dignity, and well-paid jobs are part of the American dream -- rather than an American reality -- for too many people.

"Electing a Democratic Congress is essential for our 'Families First' legislative agenda.

"Congratulations on your decision to register. Registering to vote is a basic responsibility of citizenship that far too many people ignore.

"Now that you are registered ...

 

• "Can I count on you to vote Democratic on November 7th?

   

• "Will you make an extra effort to elect Democrats to Congress -- and to your State Legislature -- by talking to your family, friends and neighbors?

"Remember: Your Vote is Your Voice.

"Su Voz, Es Su Voto. Make your voice heard on Election Day.

"Sincerely, President Bill Clinton"

Clinton letter in English. Click for full size.

Below that letter is a P.S. that explains: "Here is your personal Voter Identification Card. Sign your name, then detach your card. Bring your card with you to your polling place on Election Day. It will help your voting go more smoothly."

Apparently all the recipient needs to do with this Voter Identification Card is sign it to be eligible to vote. Keep in mind, this was sent to a previously unregistered voter.

Clinton letter in Spanish. Click for full size.

As my friend points out, only the U.S. government knows her age and pending residency status, and, obviously her Latino background. How did this information wind up in the partisan political hands of the California Democratic Party? And what kind of impact will a mailing like this -- obviously utilizing a government database for political purposes -- have on the California legislative races? How widespread is this fraud?

This is making my head spin. The recipient of this letter happens to live in congressional and state legislative districts that are very hotly contested in Southern California. But this appears to be a statewide mailing from the Democratic Party headquarters in Sacramento.

It's mind-boggling. The fraud is so blatant. Yet, not a peep out of the Republicans. They apparently won't even know what hit them. The polls in recent days show them making big gains in this once-invulnerable Al Gore stronghold state. A mass mailing like this effectively registering tens of thousands of potential Democratic voters days before the election is a secret weapon held back deliberately to avoid detection, scrutiny and publicity. After the election, the party will be happy to pay a fine for any illegalities involved. Clinton will be out of office and untouchable as always. There will be a new regime in at the INS. And it will all be swept under the rug.

And who knows if this technique is not being deployed by other state Democratic Party units? I don't doubt it for a minute.

This is voter fraud, pure and simple. And those responsible include the president of the United States, the Immigration and Naturalization Service, possibly the Census Bureau and certainly the California Democratic Party.

I'm outraged. Are you?

While her lips moved, her hands were busy helping Sen. Jon Corzine, D-N.J., craft an amendment to subvert federal immigration laws. It's buried in the Congressional Record of Jan. 21 and was passed successfully as part of the Senate omnibus appropriations bill. Senate Amendment 233 forbids any federal funds appropriated under the act from being used to remove, deport or detain illegal aliens who happen to be related to victims of Sept. 11.

The amendment does not apply to illegal alien family members who have felony records or are terrorists (how thoughtful). But it's the laundry list of illegal alien categories that Clinton and Corzine protect from deportation that is most revealing.

The Hillary amendment will prevent the Department of Homeland Security from taking any action to deport spouses or children of Sept. 11 victims who: crossed the border illegally; overstayed visas illegally; evaded prior deportation orders illegally; stowed away on a ship illegally; smuggled other illegal aliens; used fraudulent documents; falsely claimed U.S. citizenship; voted illegally; have a communicable disease or who failed to present documentation of having received vaccination against vaccine-preventable diseases; have a physical or mental disorder and behavior associated with the disorder that may pose, or has posed, a threat to the property, safety, or welfare of the alien or others; or are likely at any time to become a public charge.

The Hillary amendment
2/07/03 | Michelle Malkin

THE INTERMINABLE clintons 

It's time to throw out the trash...

A Senate en passant capture is THE MOVE...

NEW AUDIO! Hear the Bill Bennett epilogue.

 

 

hillary clinton A SECURITY RISK: Removal Calls Begin

 

Another mistaken 'conceptzia'
WHY AMERICA (& THE WORLD) CANNOT SURVIVE ANOTHER CLINTON
(INDEED, IT IS NOT CLEAR THAT WE ARE GOING TO SURVIVE THE FIRST ONE,)

 

THE CLINTONS--AMERICA'S BIGGEST BLUNDER: Hear Bush 41 Warn Us--October 19, 1992

 

How to get rid of the clintons in 3 easy steps

 

Mrs. clinton's REAL virtual office -- 02.11.03 update

The only way they can win is to convince people that we're space aliens.

--bill clinton

Although Act I had no rating, the new clinton soccer-mom directive will require a photo ID for any viewer without independent proof of illegal alien DNC <-> DNA sequencing.

In Act II, rabid anti-clinton voters, roughly 33% of the U.S. populace according to as-yet-unpodded pollsters, become increasingly aware that they are disappearing in droves and being replaced by alien pod replicas which have their physical attributes but lack all anti-clinton affect.

If Act I was a thinly veiled allegory about naked clintonism, then Act II is a parable about the plan for world domination by the Establishment, aged hippies in pinstripes all, with their infantile, solipsistic world view amazingly untouched by time.

Mia T, THE ALIENS

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

June 9, 1999

 

Peggy Noonan's excellent piece in yesterday's Wall Street Journal is really the story of the death of democracy. At its core it is the description of the human double helix gone terribly awry, of a denatured protein grotesquely twisted, of two mutant, tangled strands of DNA, the basest imaginable of base pairs linked permanently, as firmly as guanine to cytosine, bill inexorably to hillary and conversely, doing what they do best, and doing it relentlessly.

Killing.

Killing insidiously.

Killing as they pose and pander and feel our pain.

My only complaint is with Peggy Noonan's title.

The Mad Boomer, doesn't begin to capture candidate clinton considered separately or even taken as the self-anointed "twofer," permanently conjoined at that cavity conspicuously empty except for ego, that place where brain and soul and guts and heart normally reside.

This is not to say that she -- that they -- are not both quite mad and of that self-indulgent, arrogantly, ignorantly solipsistic age sandwiched flatly between yesterday's innocence and tomorrow's insouciance. Rather, it is that their madness and their boomerism don't even begin to explain their noxious influence: The cloying, internally inconsistent clinton calculus. The unspoken clinton threats. They permeate the atmosphere like a coiling miasma, choking off all freedom.

Even in New York.

Especially in New York.

When she wrote "The New Colossus," Emma Lazarus hardly had in mind this pair of mutant, deadly, twisted aliens.

So forget Arkansas-Illinois carpetbaggery and standard issue muckraking. The clintons are aliens of quite another sort. They are extrinsic, not of this world. They are inhuman. They are dehumanizing.

You may recall that the first act of this story of two degenerates maintained by iterating idiots, farce of farce ad infinitum, was generated quite by accident by iterated AlGoreRhythm, who, it should be noted, is now himself the object of iterated calculation by said degenerates who want iteration 2004 all for themselves.

And thus the odd bit of bloody Gore in Act II: The ugly sight of a corrupt, bottom-heavy hillary self-impaled on the horns of a Treason-Dilemma- masquerading-as-a-Third-Term-Dilemma-masquerading-as-a-Senate-stampede, for example, or bill's recent unsolicited, underwhelming Times interview on the Gore candidacy.

Act I was called "The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover." Ostensibly the tale of the wife of a bloodthirsty crime boss who finds romance with a bland bookseller between courses at her husband's restaurant, it was in fact the Thyestean and moveable -- yet unmoving -- feast of hillary clinton at her husband's sham restitution. (Note the reciprocity. The sham restitution in Act II is all hillary's.)

Food, color coding, sex, murder, torture and cannibalism were the exotic (if mostly horizontal) fare in this beautifully filmed but brutally uncompromising modern memoir which passed as ancient fable about nouveau riche rapacity.

Not for the faint at heart, Purple Hearts or queazy stomachs, this depiction of the gross debasement of America was heavily peppered with irony and dark humor throughout.

Although she baked no cookies, didn't do illicit land or cattle deals and stood by no man, hillary clinton starred in the triple role of the Cook, the Thief and his Wife. Her lover was played at once vaporously and in workmanlike fashion by the ghost of Eleanor Roosevelt, with Janet Reno, between her stints rendering intermittent injustice for the Husband, as the reliable stand-in. Sidney Blumenthal was the stand-in for the Cook and Craig Livingstone the stand-in for the Thief. The last-minute addition of Christopher Hitchens as the snitch was a stroke of absolute genius notwithstanding its cerebral accident, its predictable-if-perfect pitch and its facile alliteration.

Although Act I had no rating, the new clinton soccer-mom directive will require a photo ID for any viewer without independent proof of illegal alien DNC <-> DNA sequencing.

In Act II, rabid anti-clinton voters, roughly 33% of the U.S. populace according to as-yet-unpodded pollsters, become increasingly aware that they are disappearing in droves and being replaced by alien pod replicas which have their physical attributes but lack all anti-clinton affect.

If Act I was a thinly veiled allegory about naked clintonism, then Act II is a parable about the plan for world domination by the Establishment, aged hippies in pinstripes all, with their infantile, solipsistic world view amazingly untouched by time.

THE ALIENS

 

[KC_for_Freedom]

If stealing is a problem , show a DL to prove it is yours.

Yes, but a person must agree to abide by the one driver's license to a person rule. It is this violation with multiple soc sec id cards that creates a lawless situation. If on the other hand, a computer pulled up my picture, taken when I submitted birth certificate and soc sec card at the DMV, then the card would have some impact.

Imagine a terrorist going to all the trouble to buy a fake Id and trying to enter a plane to travel to a place where a terrorist attack was being planned. But the ticket agent gets the picture when the person shows his driver's license. And they don't match. Bingo, this perp is taken away.

This is all I think we need. Can we do it?

[wcbtinman]

"Is the scent of hypocracy present here?

Actually it is the odor of Facism/tyranny...and may have fatal effects.

[wcbtinman]

"...wemight as well get used to it."

I promise you, that if this passes, there will be groups of patriots who will put you out of a job shortly.

And you can just get used to that.

[ladyinred]

Hillary, you can like, you know, go, you know away, you know. And stay, you know, away, you know.
You never met an illegal alien you didn't, you know, like, you know? They are your voting base.

[Quix]

SHRILLARY HITLARY FARTS AGAIN.

What a hideous creature. She'd personally kill every illegal or legal that dared to think about getting in her way if she could get away with it--or perhaps even for recreation--of course AFTER they voted--well--maybe not--she's skillful at getting the dead voters to vote, too.

The main reason she wants Nat ID cards is that they are more useful en mass than so many FBI files.

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

I really do not think anything will be foolproof from theft. The only way we will be all accounted for; is from people who have socialistic wishes and communistic dreams like the progressive leftist democrats (with Hitlery as their leader)

What is the fine line here for our safety? Freedom or Your papers, please...

There is an easy answer. The INS can do their job and cut the Clinton political correctness and allowances for votes and we should really crack down on all of our borders and internationals gaining entry.

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

As always excellent post!

[The Wizard]

"I am, you know,a horses ass

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

LOL you know LOL you know LOL you know she is such a liar you know

[timestax]

Hitlery, and Dashole are two press hams, competing for the T.V. cameras!!

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

You know, Katie, it is because of a vaaast right wing conspiracy...that people make these things up about Bill.

(After semen DNA is Bill Clinton's on Monica's dress)

You know, I will win the senate seat in New York, as I am a victim advocate for women, you know, you papers please, you know, it is for the children and the economy, you know.

[KC_for_Freedom]

There is an easy answer. The INS can do their job and cut the Clinton political correctness and allowances for votes and we should really crack down on all of our borders and internationals gaining entry.

Of course, I agree with you, but I want to go further. If they should not be here, I am not in favor of just letting things be. This rewards lawlessness. It is a slap at everyone who followed the rules too. Perhaps you are right that we remain free(er), but maybe we lose to terrorism. I believe it is "The Pupet Master" where the country has to resort to drastic measures due to an invading force. If it can be done with present methods I am all for it. I am all for the INS (Homeland security) doing their job too. Thanks for you insight. KC