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HOW DARE THE FRENCH FORGET
New York Post ^ | 2/10/03 | STEVE DUNLEAVY

Posted on 02/10/2003 3:01:02 AM PST by kattracks

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:12:02 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

February 10, 2003 -- COLLEVILLE-SUR-MER, France - They stand only 3 feet high, but they're towering mountains of sacrifice.

I'm standing in the American Cemetery. Gray clouds hang low as if in mourning for the nearly 10,000 young Americans buried beneath crosses and Stars of David that stretch as far as the eye can see.


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To: kattracks
The French saved OUR bacon during the American Revolution! If it wasn't for them there probably wouldn't be an AMERICA!!
41 posted on 02/10/2003 11:47:34 AM PST by ServesURight (FReecerely Yours,)
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To: dfwgator
...I don't think they would have had much of a problem with a pre-emptive strike on Japan, considering that many might still be alive today had we done just that....

So when President Roosevelt went before the Congress of the United States and declared that the attack on Pearl Harbor was a day that would live in infamy---he just didn't know what he was talking about.....

42 posted on 02/10/2003 11:48:23 AM PST by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: ServesURight
The French saved OUR bacon during the American Revolution! If it wasn't for them there probably wouldn't be an AMERICA!!

That statement is arguable, but I grant you that they were a tremendous help.

That being said, do you not think that the US has repaid that debt many times over by now?

43 posted on 02/10/2003 11:49:24 AM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
So when President Roosevelt went before the Congress of the United States and declared that the attack on Pearl Harbor was a day that would live in infamy---he just didn't know what he was talking about.....

The United States was not building weapons of mass destruction in 1941 to either invade its neighbours, nor to supply terrorists.

Sorry, madamoiselle, your analogy does not stand up under rational scrutiny.

Ivan

44 posted on 02/10/2003 11:50:02 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: RoughDobermann
That being said, do you not think that the US has repaid that debt many times over by now?

Yes, and that is exactly what is so unforgivable as far as the French are concerned.

45 posted on 02/10/2003 11:51:45 AM PST by wimpycat (US: Masters of our Domain...France: Morally bankrupt "old Europe")
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To: kattracks
And how dare Germans forget the 31 servicemen who lost their lives during the Berlin Airlift?
46 posted on 02/10/2003 11:53:31 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: RoughDobermann
...Are you suggesting we didn't?...

I'm stating that in both World Wars the contributions of the United States to the European theatre must be put in their proper context; hardly an heretical belief--although it may get me burned at the stake around here in the current atmosphere of sulpherous anti-Europeanism (AKA self-hatred).

47 posted on 02/10/2003 11:53:47 AM PST by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
I'm stating that in both World Wars the contributions of the United States to the European theatre must be put in their proper context

And which context is that?

48 posted on 02/10/2003 11:54:48 AM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: kattracks
Among the most admirable moves of President Lyndon Johnson came in the mid-1960s, following Charles de Gaulle’s announcement to withdraw France from NATO’s military alliance. As Secretary of State Dean Rusk finished briefing Johnson on the logistical details of his upcoming session with de Gaulle, the president calmly ordered something like, “Finally, Dean, ask de Gaulle if he also wants us to move the cemeteries of Americans buried there.” Rusk demurred, but Johnson made him ask. Should we also withdraw the graves of Americans who sacrificed their lives for France’s liberation from the Nazis?

Link: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,74903,00.html

The original source is Rusk's memoir. (de Gaulle said nothing after Rusk, at the conclusion of the meeting, popped the question.)

49 posted on 02/10/2003 11:55:13 AM PST by aculeus
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
I'm stating that in both World Wars the contributions of the United States to the European theatre must be put in their proper context; hardly an heretical belief--although it may get me burned at the stake around here in the current atmosphere

Allow me to supply the matches and the kerosene to pour over your head. You habitually post random posts on here which have near-zero intellectual content, rather, they are just random musings intended to be incendiary. Rather like Maureen Dowd.

I doubt you are she. But a Maureen Dowd impersonator is rather pathetic to see.

Ivan

50 posted on 02/10/2003 11:56:42 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: RoughDobermann
Yes the French fought well at Bir Hacheim against Rommel's panzers and there were probably as many French fighting Axis in North Africa as there were Americans. The French lent some assistance too in the South Pacific as they loaned us their New Caledonian bases. It's good that you know such things.
51 posted on 02/10/2003 11:56:59 AM PST by Eternal_Bear
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
sulpherous anti-Europeanism (AKA self-hatred).

Are you on something? From what can see and read, it is anti-French, German and (now) Belgian-ism, not Europe as a whole. And even if it were, why would that be self-hatred?

52 posted on 02/10/2003 11:57:04 AM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: firebrand; StarFan; Dutchy; stanz; RaceBannon; Doctor Raoul; Neets; evilC; Black Agnes; Cacique; ...
We visited the American Cemetery at Colleville-Sur-Mer in 1995, 51 years after the D-Day invasion. It is an incredibly sobering experience to see those endless rows of crosses and Stars of David, and in such a beautiful, now peaceful area. It is impossible to hold back the tears while you are there.

While I do agree with FReepers about the current selfishness of the French in regard to Iraq, I know at least SOME residents of France (Normandy, anyway) are (or were) grateful for our help in the past. While visiting this area in 1995, we saw many signs posted in front of homes - in both French and English - that said: "Thank you America!" and some that said: "Thank you, USA - We will never forget". These signs were hand made (not unlike our rally signs!) and were most likely left over from 1994's 50-year commemoration of D-Day at Normandy.

We spent several hours touring this American Cemetery and also nearby Pointe du Hoc*. All other visitors to these places that day (most of these visitors were French from what I could tell) were extremely respectful and somber.

Inscription at the entrance of The American Cemetery at Colleville-Sur-Mer:

At the top of the plateau overlooking Omaha Beach, gently sloping down to the sea, whence came the liberators, this plot of French soil has been given over in perpetuity to the United States. Here lie rearly 10,000 soldiers.

On a low wall, around the monument, figure the names of the 1,557 soldiers whose bodies were never found.

VISITOR,
Look how many of them there were
Look how young they were
They died for your freedom
Hold back your tears and keep silent.

... I find it difficult to hold back the tears every time I read those words.

*Inscription on a rock on the cliffs of Pointe Du Hoc:

To the Heroic Ranger Commandoes
D2RN E2RN F2RN
of the 116th INF
Who Under the Command of
Colonel James. E. Rudder
of the First American Division
Attacked and Took Possession of
The Pointe Du Hoc

53 posted on 02/10/2003 12:02:45 PM PST by nutmeg (Liberate Iraq - Support Our Troops!)
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To: FreedomPoster
Does the name "Neville Chamberlain" mean anything to you?

Wasn't that the wimp who declared war on Hitler 2 years and 3 months before America did? (and America didn't declare war till Hitler did)

54 posted on 02/10/2003 12:02:56 PM PST by Eternal_Bear
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To: Dog
Shep Smith just mentioned this article and recommended any Fox News viewers from France to go read it
55 posted on 02/10/2003 12:02:59 PM PST by Mo1
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To: RoughDobermann
I would assume that she thinks that, because most of us have European heritage, we are "self-hating" because most of our ancestors came from there.

I view it differently. My ancestors detested the Old Europe they came from. They left the tyranny of Europe, the poverty of Europe, the hypocrisy of Europe behind and never looked back.

My grand-uncle (whose mother came from Bavaria and who was 10 when she did so) fought in Europe and was of the opinion that we should have saved some of our nukes for France, Germany, and Russia.


56 posted on 02/10/2003 12:03:37 PM PST by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsenspåånkængruppen ØberKømmååndø (EMØØK))
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To: Mo1
Just heard him. Shep rocks.
57 posted on 02/10/2003 12:04:08 PM PST by bonfire
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To: aculeus
If I had to choose betwen DeGaulle or Lydon Johnson in any confrontation I would choose DeGaulle. Not because I am un-patriotic. De Gaulle was a Great Frenchman and a great man. Johnson represented the tragedy of everything that happened to us as America swelled into an Empire.

I can't remember the exact quotation but at Kennedy's funeral DeGaulle remarked to an aide (or somebody) that Kennedy was the myth and Johnson the reality. Alas he was correct--as he was in so much of his critique of post-war America.

I wish an American President would pursue American interests with as much loyalty, devotion and fierceness as DeGaulle did French interests.

That's what really po's everybody. That anyone would pursue national interests in an age when the entire American political Class devotes itself to the global market...

58 posted on 02/10/2003 12:05:20 PM PST by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: Eternal_Bear
That was the wimp who, along with France .. who had the largest Army and armored forces outside of Russia .. paid in the blood of other countries for peace from Hitler.
59 posted on 02/10/2003 12:05:26 PM PST by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsenspåånkængruppen ØberKømmååndø (EMØØK))
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To: MadIvan
Excellent commentary on La Belle, Ivan, and I heartily concur.

I detest those who set themselves up as pseudo-intellectual, pseudo-rational critics of all things American (and British, for that matter).

60 posted on 02/10/2003 12:05:34 PM PST by Miss Marple
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