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this is coming from an Arab-American (yes, both are in my blood, not passport)who have lived in both the Arab and American worlds,

Jihad is not about fighting infidels. It is about fighting infidels who are attacking either ISlam, or Islamic countries.

Now I wil lset a few things straight. Arab culture is NOT the enemy. Whoever thought of this idea was completely ignorant. The arab culture is a very generous and welcoming culture. The morons (Bin laden, brainwashed followers, Khomeini) pissed all over the once great Arab reputaion of hospitality. IF you would leave your (probably) secluded town yo live in and actually visit the arab world you might not make yourself look as rediculous with your opinions. My mother wold be considered a WASP, she moved to Kuwait in the 1970s to teach (after teaching al lvoer europe and the USA) and fell in love withthe people and has been there ever since. She is a Christian (Catholic) and sometimes attends one of the 4 churches lcated in Kuwait. yeah, the arab world is so evil huh? If you are ever invited to a typical Arab family's home, you would be treated better than every member of that family.

The purpose of Jihad has been abused, just like the crusaders. oh yeah, buddy, you forgot to mension that when the Crusaders intered JArusalem they also slaughtered every non-christian (Jewish civilians, Muslim civilians). There is a huge amount of stupidity going around the muslim world and that makes all the good muslims look bad.

by the way, i dont know if u have ever heard the term 'BS', but Bin Laden is full of it, and that is precicely why he uses Islam as an excuse for the 9-11 attacks, which by the way killed more Muslims than Jewish people. There were a good number of Muslims in the twin towers atthe time of the attack. ahem the media didnt bother to mention that.

The topic of Isreal, alot of you people seem to show your ignorance when it comes to this. YES, suicide bombs in Israeli civilians is horrible, and I condemn it. the only thign that bugs me is that nobody botherd to look at how the problem started in the first place. A bunch of Zionists convinced the UN that because their holy book says current day ISrael belongs to the jews, that they should be able to kick all its inhabitants out, and form their own country with no regard to where they will live. Oh, and if they attempt to fight back, they are evil and shouldbe killed. Last time i checked, kicking someone out of their own land and playing the victim and using a holy book that is almost a millenia old is not only STUPID, but unreligious in every shape or form. Though shall not kill my a$$. Hundreds of thousands of palestinian children and adults have been mutilated and killed since then and nobody has done anything about it. None of you seem to be bringing up that issue now do you? SOme of you may not know this, but an american protestor was killed by a bulldozer by the israeli government while she was standing in the way of the demolition of a palestinian family's house in 2003. She is looked at as a martyr by the muslims in the area. So how evil is this Arab culture? Oh, but what the Israeli government has done to the palestinans is good, right? (notice the sarcasm, for those who are unable to pick it up).

I could go on and on disproving alot of you. But my conclusion: the holy wars, with both the muslims and christian crusaders, were both equal in stupidity, their sense of evil, and sense of expansionism. They all killed in the name of God and ironically, Islam and Christianity have alot more similarities than differences. You will find the story of the Virgin Mary and Jesus in the Quran as well.

a note: throughout my 10 years of ISlamic studies, and observations of the Quran, I never once saw anything pertaining to the idea of Prophet Mohamed sodomizing young boys. That is looked at as evil in the muslim world; it is considered rape. For rape, is capital punishment.

forgive my typos if there are any.

”Now I wil lset a few things straight. Arab culture is NOT the enemy. Whoever thought of this idea was completely ignorant. The arab culture is a very generous and welcoming culture… The morons (Bin laden, brainwashed followers, Khomeini) pissed all over the once great Arab reputaion of hospitality. IF you would leave your (probably) secluded town yo live in and actually visit the arab world you might not make yourself look as rediculous with your opinions.”

I would actually agree with you. As you may have noticed, I began this thread over a year ago. Since then, I deployed to Kuwait and then Iraq for Operation Iraqi Freedom. I was in Baghdad from early April through late August. While there, I spent countless hours interacting with the citizens of Baghdad and they were extremely hospitable. They loved us, and in spite of their wretched living conditions and poverty, they would offer us food, water, and anything else that they thought would help us.

I was wrong in saying that Arab culture is the enemy. I think it is more accurate to say that certain Arab and Persian societies (not all) are catalysts for the creation of terrorists and other enemies of mankind. For example, Palestinians seem to have nothing better to do than proclaim their hatred for Jews. A fair amount of the nutcases that we are fighting in Iraq are actually Syrians and Iranians. The nutjobs that flew planes into the Twin Towers were from Saudi Arabia and many of the madrasahs throughout the mideast, which instill hatred and intolerance into the Arab youth, are funded by Saudi money.

On a side note, I recently began reading “The Arab Mind” by Raphael Patai. Have you read this? If so, what is your opinion of it?

That is looked at as evil in the muslim world; it is considered rape. For rape, is capital punishment.

Islam is a corrupt religion. You can give us platitudes about Islam, but the example above is a zinger. Under Islamic law, a conviction for rape requires 4 male witnesses, who can testify to seeing the penetration. Otherwise the woman who brought the charge is jailed. Under Islam, rape is a protected sport. Rape of a Christian woman is easy, since the testimony of a Christian is invalid.

The topic of Isreal, alot of you people seem to show your ignorance when it comes to this. YES, suicide bombs in Israeli civilians is horrible, and I condemn it. the only thign that bugs me is that nobody botherd to look at how the problem started in the first place. A bunch of Zionists convinced the UN that because their holy book says current day ISrael belongs to the jews, that they should be able to kick all its inhabitants out, and form their own country with no regard to where they will live. Oh, and if they attempt to fight back, they are evil and shouldbe killed.

Actually, it is your ignorance and the willful ignorance and propaganda of your teachers that is showing. Ethnic violence in Palestine began with the Hebron Massacre in 1929 in which an Arab mob, enraged by a false rumor and violence the previous day in Jerusalem instigated by anti-semitic Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini, went on a rampage to destroy the entire Jewish community in that town. 67 were killed and the rest (800) removed to Jerusalem. The Jewish military group Irgun was formed in response to it. The Arab Revolt of 1936 which was directed by the same mufti against Jews killed hundreds more. Irgun was reactivated in 1937 as a response. Three Arab armies and Palestinian Arab militias placed Israel in an almost untenable military position leading up to independence, with the intent to seize the Jewish state as soon as the British flag went down. When hostilities began, the Arabs ordered Palestinians to leave in order to create a clear killing field, fully expecting to win. They lost badly however. But falling into your own trap is not a cause for sympathy.

oh yeah, buddy, you forgot to mension that when the Crusaders intered JArusalem they also slaughtered every non-christian (Jewish civilians, Muslim civilians).

Oh yeah, just as you forgot to mention what started the Crusades in the first place, the muslims slaughtering the Christians there first.

Islam and Christianity have a lot more similarities than differences. You will find the story of the Virgin Mary and Jesus in the Quran as well.

Lie. Christianity and islam have nothing in common and it does not take a genius to see it.

We have produced totally different societies. I will take the freedoms of Protestant influenced America over any backward islamic country.

The story of the Virgin Mary and Jesus found in the koran claims the Bible is a lie and that Jesus was only a prophet who did not die on the cross and was not resurrected(I guess all of those people who knew Jesus and saw his resurrection and went to their deaths refusing to deny him went to their deaths for a lie, yeah right).

You just need look at islams deeds to see it is pure evil. It is not that hard to figure out. Any woman would be a fool to be a muslim. Only a man could get his jollys from it.

Jihad is not about fighting infidels. It is about fighting infidels who are attacking either ISlam, or Islamic countries.

Read your Qur'an [Surah 9]. If I say openly "I don't believe Muhammad.", that is defined as an attack on Islam worthy of death. If Muslims can say what they want about others without retribution, that is an inequality and injustice that is worth going to war over.

Keln...

You are a voice in your own wilderness...Why the heck are there not more people who stand up and denounce the lunatic Bin Laden, his ilk, his ideas and everything that freak stands for?

There is somthing in the water in the Middle East. When the Shah got booted we got a huge influx of great people into this country from Iran...

Many have been my clients....

Why in the world are the 22 countries in the middle east veritable shitholes in terms of human rights, progress, prosperity and thought? Whilst we have millions of examples of great Arab ethnic folks like you, and my many clents here in the West doing just fine and not finding a need to dress their kids up in Suicide belts, wake up every friggin morning and chant to delirium while American flags burn and AK-47 are fired willy nilly into the sky?

Jihad is not about fighting infidels. It is about fighting infidels who are attacking either ISlam, or Islamic countries.

"O Prophet! Make war against the unbelievers [all non-Muslims] and the hypocrites and be merciless against them. Their home is hell, an evil refuge indeed." (Koran, 9:73)

"When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet sin. So that Allah's word is proven true against them, then we destroy them utterly." (Koran, 17:16-17)

"In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost." (Koran, 8:37)

"How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of their sins, setting up in their place other peoples." (Koran, 21:11)

"Remember Allah inspired the angels: I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them." (Koran, 8:12)

Koran-(5:51): O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

Koran-(9:5): “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, And seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) ; but if they repent (accept Islam) and establish regular prayers and practices regular charity then open the way for them; for God is oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.”

Koran-(8:65): “ O Apostle ! Rouse the believers to the fight, if there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering , they will vanquish two hundred; if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the unbelievers; for these are a people without understanding.”

Koran-2:216: Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you

Koran-(9:29): “Fight those who believe not the Allah nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of truth even if they are the people of the book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” Koran-8:12: I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

Koran-8: 15,16: O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them. If any do turn his back to them on such a day - unless it be in a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own)- he draws on himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed)!

Koran-9:111: Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur’an

Koran-9:123: O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).

Koran-4:95: O ye who believe! Shall I show you a commerce that will save you from a painful doom? You should believe in Allah and His messenger, and should strive for the cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives. That is better for you, if ye did but know. ... Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than those who sit (at home).

[9.14] Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and assist you against them and heal the hearts of a believing people.

The problem with islam is that the west can read. I am sick of the lies of islam, jihad is more than fighting those who are fighting against you and you know it. No this religion is easily proven as evil. Muslims are killing non-muslims all around the world and using islam as the reason because they are commanded to the fight.

Islam and Christianity have alot more similarities than differences. You will find the story of the Virgin Mary and Jesus in the Quran as well.

From the "holy" Qur'an:
"[4.157] And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the apostle of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.
[4.158] Nay! Allah took him up to Himself; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.
[4.159] And there is not one of the followers of the Book but most certainly believes in this before his death, and on the day of resurrection he (Isa) shall be a witness against them."

- I don't know. That's not exactly how it went down in "The Passion". And the part about Jesus (Isa) condemning those that believe in the crucifixion and resurrection doesn't seem to be how my Bible reads. -

From the "holy" Qur'an:
"[5.116] And when Allah will say: O Isa son of Marium! did you say to men, Take me and my mother for two gods besides Allah he will say: Glory be to Thee, it did not befit me that I should say what I had no right to (say); if I had said it, Thou wouldst indeed have known it; Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I do not know what is in Thy mind, surely Thou art the great Knower of the unseen things.
[5.117] 1 did not say to them aught save what Thou didst enjoin me with: That serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord, and I was a witness of them so long as I was among them, but when Thou didst cause me to die, Thou wert the watcher over them, and Thou art witness of all things."

Actually, this is rather sly because Jesus never said anything about Mary. But the point is to deny divinity.