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Interesting. I never realized that e-mail is used this extensively in the military nor that officers would bother reading e-mail from enlisted men. An enlisted man approaching a Commanding Officer was unthinkable when I was in. This is very good!

E-mail has certainly made its impact in the corporate world. It's amazing how quickly a good idea gets around in corporations today. Sometimes routine e-mail I sent out about ideas I have end up getting routed to the CEO. Which means I must always be careful how I phrase things!

1 posted on 02/07/2003 5:13:49 PM PST by SamAdams76
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BUMP.
2 posted on 02/07/2003 5:23:24 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion
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Bump.

Are there any similar e-mails from Desert Storm One that might help us devise care packages for our troops? It is great if the boys in Natick are listening to feedback but we can jump start the process. Heck, there is an Auto Zone a few blocks from here ...

Anybody got connections to make this happen?

3 posted on 02/07/2003 5:26:08 PM PST by NonValueAdded ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." GWB 9/20/01)
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To make their point, the three men explained how soldiers in Afghanistan consumed their Meals Ready to Eat, the plastic-wrapped all-in-one food packets that weigh about two pounds and last around three years. Before going into battle they "field stripped" the meals to cut down on their carrying weight. "We kept the high carb stuff for energy and threw out everything else," Sgt. Romero told the nutritionist responsible for developing the meals.

Fascinating....American soldiers did the exact same thing in WWII, particularly in Amphibious assaults. They eventually developed an "assault ration" because of this, that was basically just candy and cigarretes.

4 posted on 02/07/2003 5:28:33 PM PST by John H K
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Like this attention to real-world grunt input might have happened under the Clintoon Administration. <|: /~
5 posted on 02/07/2003 5:29:13 PM PST by martin_fierro
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This is a great article! Rummy has has something to do with listening to the actual men on the ground!
6 posted on 02/07/2003 5:30:10 PM PST by Jewels1091
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bump this cool post!
7 posted on 02/07/2003 5:31:12 PM PST by isthisnickcool
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Well, not like this guy is some snot-nosed 19 year old private....every officer with two brain-cells to rub together (and unfortunately that doesn't include every officer) listens carefully to what an old sergeant has to say.
8 posted on 02/07/2003 5:31:20 PM PST by John H K
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bump to read later
9 posted on 02/07/2003 5:31:55 PM PST by nutmeg
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Good story. But Sam, didn't you know any Gunney's in the Marines? Certainly a career senior NCO can talk to officers, especially about war, and even in the Marines? This is normal in the USAF. 13 years ago, when I was at the Pentagon in a joint-duty assignment, the troops and officers would have Friday beer calls and talk about all sorts of things. We were Marines, Sailors, Soldiers, and Airmen...Enlisted and Officers.
12 posted on 02/07/2003 5:36:53 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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Interesting. I never realized that e-mail is used this extensively in the military nor that officers would bother reading e-mail from enlisted men. An enlisted man approaching a Commanding Officer was unthinkable when I was in.

Email is used extensively--for better and worse. We use it every day to keep in touch, coordinate, even to distribute OPORDs.

As far as enlisted guys writing to the boss—absolutely, if they have a good idea. Still, they (we all) should stick to the Chain of Command and pass the email up the chain. An email bitch session to direct to the brass will get everyone’s butt kicked.

14 posted on 02/07/2003 5:39:40 PM PST by TankerKC (Analyzing Iraq requires intellectual work, spouting off about the US requires only attitude.)
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PS...not to mention classified email over the SIPRNET.
16 posted on 02/07/2003 5:43:05 PM PST by TankerKC (Analyzing Iraq requires intellectual work, spouting off about the US requires only attitude.)
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http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&th=d6d5ff34895f65e9&rnum=1

Today's Wall Street had a story about an email a soldier sent back from
Afghanistan giving tips on gear.

I found the email on the web, (copied below). One question I have; what's
the problem with Gore-Tex boots?

1SG Rudy Romero of  B Co 1/187 IN of the 101st ABN DIV, whose unit
participated in Operation Anaconda in Afghanistan, has prepared some
comments for visitors of Squad-leader.com. His recent email has been sent
around the Army, eventually reaching the CSA. We here at SLdotCom thank him
for his support in sharing these lessons with his fellow NCOs.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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 LESSONS LEARNED DURING AFGHANISTAN DEPLOYMENT

 I guess the biggest lesson I learned is nothing changes from how you train.
We've all heard train like you fight at least a million times, well here's a
new one. Fight like you train. We've spent years and years learning what we
know, then soon as we deploy we start second guessing ourselves trying to
invent new dilemmas and TTP's because it's a real deployment but we end up
outsmarting ourselves. Go with what you know, stick with how you train.

 Some of the things in particular were soldiers load, because you're in the
mountains of Afghanistan you try to invent new packing lists, or new
uniforms.
 Some units went in wearing gortex and poly pro only, when the wx got bad
they were the only ones to have cold wx injuries that needed to be evac'd.
 We've all figured out how to stay warm during the winter so don't change
your uniforms. It was never as cold as I've seen it at FT Campbell or FT
Bragg during the winter.

 Because of the high altitude and rough terrain we all should have been
combat light. That's the first thing you learn at JRTC, you can't fight with
a ruck on your back.    (we were operating at altitudes of 8,000 ft to 9,500
ft, and we never had any problems with altitude sickness)

The environment was extremely harsh. The cold wasn't that bad, it's the hard
cold dry wind that will eat you up like you wouldn't believe. Chapstick,
chapstick, chapstick, sunscreen, sunscreen. Sunscreen.

 Most of our soldiers would rather carry the extra weight so they'll stay
warm, and comfortable, but as a leader you have to consider a few things.
Every extra pound we carry affects the soldier's performance, once he gets
tired the first thing to go is how he pulls security while moving
or at halts. Next to go is your ability as a company or platoon to move from
point A to B without injuries, or people falling behind. Once you get in the
mountains that 5 clicks you started out on turns into 9-11 clicks because of
all the deep ravines and mountains that didn't make it on the map because of
the contour interval. Because we had rucksacks all of our soldiers were
completely exhausted within hours of just getting on the ground.

  With just the vest and LBV we were easily carrying 80lbs. Throw on the
ruck and your sucking. We packed a poncho liner and gortex bivouac bag per
two soldiers, poly pro top and bottom, sleep shirt, or wool sweater, field
jacket liner.  Three pairs of socks, one set of gortex socks, three
t-shirts. Gortex wet wx top and bottom.   (the top and bottom were worth
there weight in gold, they
 did a good job of cutting the wind and allowed us to survive at night) 6
MREs for three days.  Then the rest was equipment and ammo.

We outsmarted ourselves on how much water to carry. We took in over 12 qrts
per man on our initial insertion, which greatly increased our weight. In the
old days you did a three-day mission with 6 qts of water, and that was on FT
Campbell in the summer. Granted we were all heat
exhaustion at the end but it's more than doable.
We didn't even think to take iodine tablets until we decided we were going
to do a mission, then there were none to be found.

 Once you get hooked on the water buffalos and water bottles you lose water
discipline. I think one of the worst things we have done is every time we
train we have a water buffalo next to us. We made it very easy to drink as
much water as we want. Problem is when the buffalo isn't there; all of a
sudden we have a water crisis. I watched young soldiers drink all their
water (2-3 qts) in half a day then watched everyone panic because were out
of water. "We're not out of water they've got 3 qts in there belly." They
were probably better off than the people who still have it in the canteens.

 We also over tasked our helicopter support bringing in unneeded resupply
because we've lost a lot of our needed field craft. If you're in a good
fight your going to need all your birds for MEDEVAC and ammo resupply.
Bottom line is we have to train at the right soldiers load, relearn how to
conserve water. How many batteries does it take to sustain for three days
etc. Take what you need to survive through the night and then wear the same
stuff again the next day, you can only wear so much snivel gear it doesn't
do any good to carry enough to have a different wardrobe every day.

Have the BN invest in gortex socks, and smart wool socks. Each soldier needs
two pairs so he can rotate them daily, because your feet sweat in
gortex...you've got to dry them out every 24 hrs.

Our BN directed for every one to wear gortex boots during the mission, you
could imagine how painful that was. I gave up my boots to a new soldier who
didn't have any so I wore jungle boots, gortex socks and a pair of smart
wool socks and my feet never got wet or cold even in the snow.


Equipment-wise, our greatest shortcomings were optics, radios, and organic
or direct support long-range weapons. After the initial fight all our
targets were at a minimum of 1500m all the way out to as far as you could
see. Our 60mm mortars and 81's accounted for most of the kills.  Next was a
Canadian sniper team with a McMillian 50 cal. They got kills all the way out
to 2500m.

The problem with our mortars was there was Air Force jets' flying over us
24hrs a day. And they wouldn't fly near us if we were firing indirect. Even
though our max ord was far beneath their patterns. Something for your S-3
and Air Force LNO to work out.  The other problem was the Air Force could
never hit small groups of personnel.  (I'm sure they have huge difficulty
seeing anything that small).  I watched and called corrections on numerous
sorties and they could never hit the targets. My verdict is if you want it
killed use you mortars.

Pay close attention to the direction of attack...you're ALO is bringing in
the casualties. Every time it was perpendicular to us we were hit with
shrapnel. Not to mention the time they dropped a 2000lb bomb in the middle
of our company, that didn't go off by a sheer miracle. Cobras and 2.75 shot
at us. Also, once again they were shooting perpendicular to our trace.
Aviation provided the most near misses of all the things we did (contrary to
popular belief you can hear the one coming to get you).

During the day we marked our positions for the fast movers and Apaches with
VVS-17 panels  (also for friendly units on the ground). At night Spectre
would show up and fly all night.  We relied on glint tape to mark our
positions for him.  You could see him paint us with his IR to ID our
positions then he would go to work.  So it seemed to work well.

The battalion received MBITR radios while we were on the ground, short of
the radio the ALO brings with him, that's all you have to talk to the Air
Force (uhf).  I strongly recommend each company have at least one UHF radio.
MBITR is small and very versatile.  (FM, UHF, VHF).

I recommend all SL's and PL's carry binos with the mills reticle (all we had
was two per machine gun team). Numerous times TL's and SL's had the
opportunity to call in mortars on enemy personnel. More importantly is
leaders knowing how to do it. Our BN has checked all the blocks as far as
that goes, guess what they still couldn't do it. Especially the PL's.
Contrary to popular belief it's not the PL who's going to call it in... its
the soldier in the position who will. If you don't have enough binos for all
leaders, guess what? You have to wait for somebody to run to the M240
position to go get them. Also same goes with not knowing how to do it, you
have to wait for the FO to move to that position. Plugger battle drill is
the way to go, even with the civilian models; the contour interval on the
maps is outrageous so terrain association was difficult.

Range estimation was probably the most important or critical thing you do.
If you close on your estimation you'll get the target. We all carried in 2
mortar rounds apiece and that was more then enough. We took mix of
everything; the only thing we used was WP and HE. All together we took in at
least 120 rds as a company

I would also recommend wearing the body armor during all training, I doubt
if well ever fight without it again. It significantly affects everything
that you do.

Lots of lessons learned on Air Assault.  Flying was by far the most
dangerous thing we did while we were there because of the terrain and
weather. It was always "seats out" due to the limited number of aircraft and
the number of personnel we had to get in. That presents a few problems.
Offloading a CH-47 on a hot LZ packed to the gills is an extremely slow
process (2-3 min).

Landing was the most dangerous part while we were there just because of the
conditions and terrain, if you crash without seats and seatbelts your going
to have a lot of broken bones (it happened once). If possible, maybe
you could send in the first few lifts with seats in, which will get the helo
off the LZ much quicker. Then following aircraft "seats out." Food for
thought.

Of the two missions we did once it was time to extract both times we waited
for an additional 3 days after the majority of the units on the ground
departed. Soon as the first lift goes the weather would roll in and keep us
for three days (a 3-5 day mission turned into 9 days).  That could of
presented numerous problems.  The major one being we were the only one's
left on the ground, next problem is once you think your leaving you consume
all your chow and water (make sure all your key weapons are on your last
lift, chances half of your company will be left on the ground for additional
days).

Just like in the past the pilots were courageous and will do all and even
more of what you ask of them. However, resupply was a big difficulty.
Problem was they never put the right package at the right place and you know
what that means, especially when it's 120mm mortar rounds that slid into a
deep ravine. The fix was our S-4 had a group of supply SGT's that would
accompany the supplies with grids freq's and call signs.

 Make sure battalion pushes the birds down to the company freqs. When ever
that doesn't happen you can be sure that the loads are not going to land in
the right place. They only way it's going to work are if they have the
company freq's and we can directly talk to them. When it didn't happen they
always landed in the wrong place or dropped off resupply in the wrong place.

 Same with AH-64's...we always say give them to the user but we never do it.
We always had to relay thru the S-3 to give corrections (train like you
fight, fight like you train). Demand that in training, if the TAC or TOC
doesn't have the confidence in the company you can be sure it will be the
same in combat.

Something else we tried that worked great was that on every CH-47 flying in
to the box we put at least three body bags filled with water and MREs on the
bird. We would lay them on the tailgate of the CH-47, soon as it landed the
first few guys would pull it off and leave it as a cache. Bn would pick up
loads in the gators and drop them off at the companies.

Gators, didn't hold up to well. They're a great thing to have when they're
running. That place eats up tires pretty fast so take a bicycle pump for the
tires when you go in, that will keep you rolling longer. Also they're real
easy getting them into to the fight, getting out is a different story,
you're always scrounging for aircraft when it's time to go. So be prepared
to leave a few gators.

We didn't take the Javelin missile in when we went because of the lack of an
armored threat however, we used the CLU's a lot, every night for that
matter. Beautiful piece of equipment. They consume a lot of batteries and
add a lot of weight.  After it snowed, two in the company stopped working
until they dried out a few days later. Other than that they held up real
well.

Go in with a good or should I say great zero on all your weapons. We never
got a chance to re zero while we were there. Also zero all your spare
weapons for replacements etc. On our last mission I hit a dud M203 at 75m
with one round from my M4 using my M68. It held a zero great. A 1SG
doesn't normally abuse his weapon like a young soldier does though. However
if they treat their weapons like their Nintendo's they should be all right.

Soon as you get on the ground immediately enforce to soldiers taking care of
their equipment, this was my third deployment and all were the same, our
young soldiers will break there weapons and NVG's until you figure out how
to stop it. Once it gets broken you can bet you wont see it again!!!

 Equipment suggestions:

Our BN bought the ammo bags for the M240 from London Bridge, they worked
great.

Kneepads are a must; needless to say not all personnel had them.


Camel backs

MSR stoves work great, they burn any kind of fuel. Recommend one per squad.

Safety or shooting glasses, Bolle goggles are the way to go if your unit can
afford it.

We had one guy who was hypothermic one night, the medics and a wool blanket
saved his ass. Green wool still can't be beat.

Fleece gloves worked great, Nomex gloves with poly pro liners also worked
well.


Mechanix gloves from Auto Zone are great, (also very cheap) the palm is
leather padded, the back has plastic armor, the fit very well and were more
then warm enough with a liner inside of them. They hold up much better than
the Nomex.

We also eventually (after we were done) received Barret 50-cals for our
snipers. Their M24's never got used because of the extreme ranges. I think
every rifle company should have a 50 cal!!!!!!!

Lots of thermite/incendariary grenades and C-4, we used them a lot to
destroy caches, abandoned equipment, and to destroy caves.  Our engineers
were great.

Practice a lot with your M203's; they worked great to clear a cave entrance
before entering.  Right now there isn't a viable sight for the M-4, so lots
of practice with Kentucky windage.

Lots of HE, also mounting brackets, for the PEQ-2 for the AT-4's. The SMAW-D
comes with one. Also the SMAW-D is smaller easier to carry and hits
significantly harder. Won't collapse a cave but will definitely clear it
(recommend carrying the SMAW-D).

Also if you pay attention to the SOF guys, their always the first ones to
grab the LAW's because there super light and a soldier can carry multiple
ones because of the extreme ranges you need the 3x adapters for the NVG's.

TLs and above should carry a small set of binos, preferably with the mills
reticle.

Each platoon needs lots of extension cords and shop lights for their cp or
tents.

Hammer, nails, wood screws, nuts and bolts, drills, saws, toolbox and lots
of super glue.

VVS-17 panel inside of K-pot (a small piece of one)

Honda generator, for radio's, hair clippers etc.

Hair brush per soldier, after you there awhile everyone will look like they
have scabies on their head because you can't take a shower often, the hair
brush will scrape away all the dead skin from your scalp.

We had a machine shop make us grappling hooks out of rebar, we also had the
issue one that is fired from the M-4.

Teach all personnel, call for fire, make them learn it, two weeks ago we had
a good class for TL's and above, last week we went to the mortar range and
we let them call it in. They still couldn't do it!!!!   It does probably to
hard to visualize how to do it in a classroom, so get them to the range.


Soldiers did great you can always depend on them. They are extremely brave
and want to fight. Gotta do realistic training, they'll do it just like we
teach them.

All in all it was a great deployment,  millions of things went very well,
including the fact that we brought everyone back.

 1SG Rudy Romero
 B co 1/187 IN
 101st ABN DIV

 Rakkasan!!

18 posted on 02/07/2003 5:44:08 PM PST by dennisw ( http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php)
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Ah wellllll, some of us were idiots even in 1970.

Being terminally naive or crazy or looney or whatever . . . I tended to take an open door policy as just that. Sometimes it went OK and sometimes it didn't. Usually, I felt the restult was worth the risk.

Once violating regs and policy I almost managed to save an appendicitis case by stepping outside the strict boundaries I was supposed to operate in. My CO had a fit at the resulting commendation letter but his CO demanded it be posted at my HICOM/AUTOSEVOCOM position. Have since lost my copy.

Anyway--it depends. One does the right thing and prays for a good result. Many times God is merciful and there are even sane people up the chain of command.

It IS usually wise to have some good scuttlebut on exactly what kind of persons are above you, first, however.
26 posted on 02/07/2003 5:56:13 PM PST by Quix (21st FREEPCARD FINISHED--going to get back to it soonish)
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Email has become as big in the military as anywhere else. It's pretty amazing to be in such direct contact with Commanders and Higher Headquarters. Any officer worth his or her salt, gives the advice of enlisted personnel serious consideration.

Of course, you only write ANY email in such a way that you wouldn't be embarrassed if your mother read it. 'Cause they sure do get around.

It's nice to know that Commanders are listening and that designers are making changes. I have been in the military for over 21 years and have seen significant improvements in uniforms, boots (much lighter and more comfortable/waterproof), coats (goretex/warm!). Now, if just didn't have to sew on all those patches and stripes!

We get regular computer upgrades and new software. My job has certainly gotten a lot easier. Of course, there's always room for improvement!
27 posted on 02/07/2003 5:57:22 PM PST by ODC-GIRL (Proudly serving our Homeland Defense)
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everything from the best gloves to take (fleece from AutoZone)

The Army's D3A leather glove shells are wonderful, those damned cheap wool ambidextrous liners are crap.

A decent pair of wool gloves works well. When I was in, I used a pair I bought in the Boy Scout section of the PX.

I still wear D3As, through fifteen years of Minnesota winters. I bought a pair of pile gloves to use as liners, a couple of years ago, and they're more comfortable, and warmer, but not so good wet.

NikWax makes some wonderful wash-in waterproofing for pile, and with that, I prefer the pile. On a long-term deployment, though, I think I'd stick to wool.

29 posted on 02/07/2003 6:01:20 PM PST by jdege
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Great post, buddy!
31 posted on 02/07/2003 6:04:32 PM PST by Jolly Green
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Gee, an organization's engineers actually listening to its "customers" - sounds like the US Army is learning the same lessons in customer-feedback that US business had to learn.

BTW, those MSR stoves are great - use them all the time when backpacking in the mountains. They work on any fuel, at any temperature, and at any altitude!
34 posted on 02/07/2003 6:07:51 PM PST by canuck_conservative
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Sgt. Romero knew it his e-mail, written in all capital letters, had landed in the in boxes of Army Sgt. Major Jack Tilley, the Army's senior enlisted soldier, and Army Chief of Staff Gen. Eric Shinseki

Reason #372 not to use ALL CAPITAL LETTERS: you never know where your email is going to end up

36 posted on 02/07/2003 6:09:14 PM PST by xm177e2 (smile) :-)
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An enlisted man approaching a Commanding Officer was unthinkable when I was in

A private approaching the CO might be "unthinkable" but all good officers listen to their NCOs. This guy is a Master Sergeant, who you damn well better listen to if you know what's good for you, especially as a mere Major.

43 posted on 02/07/2003 6:46:23 PM PST by El Gato
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There's nothjing new about officers listening to seasoned enlisted old salts. When I was getting my gold bar we were given good advice from a LCDR who told us to pay close attention to the Chiefs because they're the heart and soul of the Navy. This has always seemed true to me.
60 posted on 02/07/2003 8:39:39 PM PST by max epr
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