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French are unmoved by US 'frog bashing'
The Times ^ | February 8, 2003 | Tim Reid and Charles Bremner

Posted on 02/07/2003 3:28:16 PM PST by MadIvan

“THE game is over,” President Bush told Iraq on Thursday.

“It’s not a game, and it’s not over,” Jean-Pierre Raffarin, the French Prime Minister, shot back yesterday. Thus the war of words between dovish France and hawkish America grew more rancorous.

There are three men in the world who would be wise for reasons of personal safety not to show their faces in America: Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and M Raffarin’s boss, President Chirac.

Middle America, egged on by hostile television networks and editorial writers, has been whipped into a rage against what is perceived as betrayal by the vain and preening French or, as they are now being characterised, “cheese-eating surrender monkeys”.

France was rescued by America in both World Wars, US commentators note as French obstructionist tactics at the United Nations thwart the campaign to get Saddam.

They mutter darkly about Germany’s anti-Americanism, but the vitriol has been almost exclusively directed at the French: the leader of the Franco-German “axis of weasel”.

“Let’s beat up the French,” the conservative co-host of CNN’s Crossfire programme declared on Thursday night. The audience cheered.

Later a viewer’s e-mail was flashed up on screen: “I understand that the French UN Ambassador was told to stop waving his hand in the air because it was inappropriate to surrender at the UN meeting.”

Bill Sammon, the White House correspondent for the Washington Times, said: “The Administration has come to the realisation that writing off France is not a bad thing politically . . . I think it plays pretty well.”

The British journalist Christopher Hitchens summed up US feelings in The Wall Street Journal: “Chirac. . .is a positive monster of conceit. . .a man so habituated to corruption that he would happily pay for the pleasure of selling himself.”

France is shrugging off what the left-wing daily Libération labelled “le frog-bashing” as a manifestation of the primitive prejudices now prevailing in a country with which it has a long tradition of rivalry.

Gallic commentators have taken a more detached view, seeing America’s anger as proof that Paris must be doing something right with its moral stand in favour of “peace”, while the US air waves and news pages have filled with anti-French vitriol in recent weeks.

“It’s a little tiresome,” one French diplomat said. “The Americans always throw tantrums like this when they don’t get their way.”

The condescension in this statement proves everything that the Americans are saying to be absolutely true - Ivan

But what did hit home was the dismissal by Donald Rumsfeld, the Defence Secretary, of France and Germany as “old Europe”.

The conservative Le Figaro, which has become even more anti-US than Libération, noted yesterday that France had replaced Iraq as the obsession of the “pen-wielding war-mongers” of the White House.

“The toughening of Washington’s position has confirmed the expected return to page one of an odious little character with a black beret, a cigarette in his mouth and baguette under his arm: France has not finished paying for the affront which it has inflicted on the muscular diplomacy of Uncle Sam,” it said.

The more outrageous American gibes are a source of French amusement.

M Chirac’s aides chuckled after Rush Limbaugh, a radio host, said that no one should trust a country with a Foreign Minister named Dominique de Villepin. With his aristocratic airs, the elegant M de Villepin is viewed even in France as a little hard to take.

The media have made much of the US tabloids’ dismissal of France with the “cheese-eating surrender monkeys” insult. Le Figaro nicely translated the line, which comes from The Simpsons television cartoon, as: primates capitulards et toujours en quête de fromages.

The media have also been struggling to decode a now famous New York Post headline denouncing France and Germany as “The Axis of Weasel”. Le Figaro translated this as l’axe des faux jetons — literally “the axis of the two-faced”.

There was also some admiration yesterday for the wordsmiths of the White House who are making good use of the English that is understood even by the French in President Bush’s statements. His “the game’s over” on Thursday night needed no French translation in a country long devoted to English-language café video games.

Over Iraq, the French are distinguishing between “good Americans” and “bad” ones. The latter are written off as right-wing fans of “le cowboy Bush”, such as George Will, a columnist who wrote this week that France was now performing “a manoeuvre which it has been perfecting since 1870: retreat”.

Good Americans are anti-war Democrats, Hollywood stars and the think-tank experts who give sympathetic replies in impeccable French to the anti-American rants of listeners on French radio shows.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 1cheeseeating; 2surrendermonkeys; bashing; blair; bush; cheeseandwhine; cheeseeating; france; french; froginablender; frogs; iraq; isurrender; saddam; surrendermonkeys; uk; us
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To: JohnHuang2; dfwgator
Hey JohnHuang2: dfwgator has the quote of the day IMO:

"Don't worry. The French will be there when they need us."

221 posted on 02/09/2003 11:26:45 PM PST by FBD (I'm dangerous with HTML. Just ask Grampa Dave!)
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To: Paul Atreides
When you shoot a mime, do you have to use a silencer?
222 posted on 02/09/2003 11:47:58 PM PST by Cloud William
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To: MadIvan; Paul Atreides; All
Ah, the French:
Le plus on leur baise le cul, le plus ils nous chient sur la tete.
(The more you kiss their a$$, the more they $#!+ on your head.) --Red Gold

From WWW.Conquerfrance.com:

France vs. France - French Revolution 1789 - 1799A.D. (France kicks their own a$$es) Dr. Guillotine makes a handy invention that allows the Frenchies to chop off their own heads with amazing speed - thanks Jacobin Republicans!!!

223 posted on 02/09/2003 11:59:24 PM PST by FBD (They don't call 'em Frogs for nothing!)
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To: The Raven
They don't like the U.S. because we showed up too late in WWII

What the hell? Didn't it take about 15 minutes for Hitler to overrun France?

Even Domino's can't get there that fast.

224 posted on 02/10/2003 12:05:06 AM PST by Hank Rearden (Bringing you grumpy bon mots since early '99. You're welcome.)
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To: Hank Rearden
Even Domino's can't get there that fast.

Thanks for the morning laugh !!!!
225 posted on 02/10/2003 3:47:46 AM PST by The Raven (Liberalism: The dream world called denial)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
bttt
226 posted on 02/10/2003 8:01:57 AM PST by timestax
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To: Hank Rearden
bump
227 posted on 02/11/2003 9:18:25 AM PST by timestax
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To: muggs
Don't forget they eat snails!!
228 posted on 02/11/2003 9:20:04 AM PST by timestax
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To: MadIvan
Anyone got a .jpg of a hawk ripping the guts out of a dove?
229 posted on 02/11/2003 9:25:28 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: Dead Dog
Here is a Hottie with a Dove.


230 posted on 02/11/2003 9:27:38 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: null and void
Err. Lay off the snail and frog-legs comment. They're pretty darn good. Say what you will about the French, but they can cook.
231 posted on 02/11/2003 9:29:42 AM PST by Timmy
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To: Timmy
I know.

;^)

France, Germany, Belgium, and Luxembourg - chickens that hide behind Turkey...
232 posted on 02/11/2003 9:33:33 AM PST by null and void (Frogs. They DO taste just like CHICKEN...)
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To: Dead Dog; MadIvan
This is what I was after, not a dove or a hawk, but it get's to the point. They eat frogs too...

Both Doves and Frogs taste like chicken...coincidence?

233 posted on 02/11/2003 9:35:04 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: RightWhale
The middle east problem began long before 1099.

Certainly the problem began with the invention of islam, several hundred years before. Or, if you believe the biblical accounts, the problems started with Abraham.
234 posted on 02/11/2003 10:00:48 AM PST by newguy357
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To: MadIvan
Boycott France--don't go there, period!!!

Also: Boycott everything French (wine, perfumes, food items, etc.)!!!!

These smelly jerks need to pay for their treachery....

235 posted on 02/11/2003 10:05:04 AM PST by RooRoobird14
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To: newguy357
Ahmen, they call them b@stards for a reason.
236 posted on 02/11/2003 10:21:17 AM PST by Dead Dog
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