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Pennsylvania sued on Pledge of Allegiance mandate
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | Friday, February 07, 2003 | The Associated Press

Posted on 02/07/2003 8:59:53 AM PST by Willie Green

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:34:58 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Hacksaw
Otherwise, they can home school or go private.

Education is mandatory. People have no choice but to go, at gunpoint if necessary. In government schools under this law, so is pleadging allegience out loud, even if you don't feel allegience. Therefore you are being forced at gunpoint to pledge alligence.

Then they try to force people in private schools to do the same. Neither is right. And when I educate my own children, I still have to pay for yours.

Substitute another country, like Iraq or Nazi Germany into the equation and remove this country and see if you think it's a good idea then.

If Hillary were to pull a sucessful coop and write one with her name in there, see if you agree then.

Government schools are a prominent part of the Communist Manifesto. They are incompatible with a free society in the long term.

21 posted on 02/07/2003 11:30:05 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: ThinkDifferent
That only proves that you're a commie liberal who hates George W. Bush, loves Saddam and you're probably a homosexual. After all, it is NEVER appropriate to oppose laws that mandate 'respect' for the US and its symbols. It's only okay to ridicule if another country is doing the same thing.
22 posted on 02/07/2003 11:30:12 AM PST by Dimensio
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To: Temple Owl
We need school choice

Precisely

and vouchers--right now!!!!

Vouchers are just one more way to bring private schools under government control.

23 posted on 02/07/2003 11:31:35 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: Willie Green
For what its worth, my son's teacher (NY City Native) ALWAYS ends the pledge of alligence with, "and I hope they kill Osama Bin Laden"
24 posted on 02/07/2003 11:31:57 AM PST by 11th_VA
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To: Willie Green
Take a look at the origins of the Pledge of Allegiance...

http://www.cwu.edu/~millerj/jack/flag.html
25 posted on 02/07/2003 11:34:13 AM PST by Diverdogz
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To: Redleg Duke
Will you please stop that "personal attack" whine! Everytime someone disagrees with you, you start whining about "personal attacks"! That is a pathetic way to debate and implies your positions haven't strong foundations.

Personal attacks are a good way to debate, but pointing them out is not? LOL Good thinking.

I never complain about personal attacks when people disagree with me, only when they attack me personally instead of staying on point.

Management has warned people not to attack others personally. They have told me too. The poster here hits the abuse button with regularity but then attacks people himself.

If you do it, it means you can't debate, not if you call others on it.

26 posted on 02/07/2003 11:37:20 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: 11th_VA
For what its worth, my son's teacher (NY City Native) ALWAYS ends the pledge of alligence with, "and I hope they kill Osama Bin Laden"

Christian school?

27 posted on 02/07/2003 11:38:29 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: ThomasJefferson
No, public school - but she's a 'dyed in the wool' New Yorker. I think she may have lost friends/family in the WTC.
28 posted on 02/07/2003 11:41:10 AM PST by 11th_VA
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To: 11th_VA
No, public school - but she's a 'dyed in the wool' New Yorker. I think she may have lost friends/family in the WTC.

I sympathize if she lost friends. That being said, no Christian school preaches hope for death for anyone. They teach you to pray for your enemies.

If this person is telling little children to hope for the killing of someone, the person is letting their personal feelings overcome their common sense. It is clearly inappropriate in my view and I would make it known to the teacher and inform my child that the teacher is incorrect.

None of this has anything whatsoever to do with the murderous Bin Laden.

29 posted on 02/07/2003 11:48:22 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: Willie Green
A quick interisting story.

I see they mention The Circle School here in Harrisburg. My goalie (soccer) goes to that school.
Last Saturday after a tournament in Philly he came to me and said, "coach, I think I want to play in the field next week instead of goalie, it will make me feel better." Honest, he said that.

I said, "son, what the hell do you think we are practicing for today?" "We are in the PA State Indoor Cup next week and this was practice for it." "I continued, if you are not going to play goalie next week, let me know right now and please don't show up because your off the team." I continued, "Now, that outta make you feel good."

30 posted on 02/07/2003 11:50:53 AM PST by AGreatPer
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To: ThomasJefferson
Please cite where I ever said that or withdraw the personal attack based on a lie.

You express your contempt for the Union established by our Constitution here:

"...it was never a civil war, it was the war between the states. It was more like the Revolution, it was for independance.
IMO, the south should have abolished slavery and then seceeded.
Posted by ThomasJefferson to Valin On 02/04/2003

31 posted on 02/07/2003 11:52:18 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: NJ Mountain Goat
One edited by congress adding language to smoke out them commies in the 50s.

The tongue of a Kohm would burn with fire if he tried to say the E Pleb Nista.

32 posted on 02/07/2003 11:53:06 AM PST by steve-b
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To: Dimensio
The fastest way to get me to lose any respect for a country is when that country tries to mandate my respect.

Yeah -- for cryin' out loud, Willie, look who you're siding with and rethink your position.


33 posted on 02/07/2003 11:54:57 AM PST by steve-b
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To: Willie Green
I stand behind the post and point out that it has nothingwhatsoever to do with the lie you told about me. Prove your contention or withdraw your lie.
34 posted on 02/07/2003 11:58:41 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: ThomasJefferson
If this person is telling little children to hope for the killing of someone, the person is letting their personal feelings overcome their common sense.

I never took it that way, that is, we should personally want to kill someone. She says "I hope THEY Kill OBL". What you said did first cross my mind, but I've always taught my kids the Gov't does not carry the sword in vein. They encourage those that do good, and punish those that do evil. (Romans 13) (ie, Gov'ts are ordained by God to carry out Law and Order)

35 posted on 02/07/2003 12:04:16 PM PST by 11th_VA
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To: AGreatPer
"Now, that outta make you feel good."

ROFLOL!!! - I use to coach soccer, that's a great line.

36 posted on 02/07/2003 12:06:41 PM PST by 11th_VA
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To: ThomasJefferson
Southern secession would have directly affected our Union's borders.
Your statement saying that's what should have been done directly reflects your neosecessionist attitude and lack of allegience to our great nation.
37 posted on 02/07/2003 12:08:53 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: 11th_VA
I never took it that way, that is, we should personally want to kill someone.

Neither did I. And I didn't say that.

What you said did first cross my mind, but I've always taught my kids the Gov't does not carry the sword in vein.

Really? Interesting. Does that apply to Iraq? Nazi Germany? Japan in the thirties?

They encourage those that do good, and punish those that do evil. (Romans 13) (ie, Gov'ts are ordained by God to carry out Law and Order)

Which has nothingwhatsoever to do with telling little children to hope anyone gets killed by anyone else.

We are commanded to pray for our enemies, not teach our children to hope they get killed.

This would never have happened in a Christian school. Abolish government schools and the problem disappears.

38 posted on 02/07/2003 12:13:56 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: Willie Green
LOL, Nice try. You lied.
39 posted on 02/07/2003 12:14:39 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: Diverdogz
Origins are unimportant now. The Pledge helps provide a tie that binds. Unity is strength.
40 posted on 02/07/2003 1:02:17 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead (It's all about ideas)
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